Attack of the stupids/ The dog whisperer!

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There are embarrassing moments with horses, aren't there Yuckaduck. LOL. One time, my mare wouldn't step over a log on a trail. I mean, it was a little high but she could have stepped over it. She really wasn't afraid, just kept bumping it with her knees and didn't get it that she was suppose to step over. There was no other way around this log. So, I got off, looked around to make sure no one was watching, (lol, this is out on some logging road, like I'm sure someone is around, lol) And I faced her and said, "Brisa, watch." And I made this huge exaggerated step over the log. I did it again and then viola....she stepped over it too. But I had to pick up one knee to get her started. LOL.

My last two mares were completely green when I got them and very afraid of lots of things, unbroken, half wild. If I had forced them into being broke to ride by doing the last step first, I wouldn't be here today to tell about it. LOL.
 
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Oh so true, they can be something else. Oh well that is why I love them so much...someday in the distant future maybe I will look at getting one again. Not now for sure though.
 

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I was about 14 and in pony club when my little arab decided the next jump was too high and did a perfect sliding stop. lol I flew over her head and took out the jump with my cheek bone. :rolleyes: We were both just learning though! :p
 
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Saje said:
I was about 14 and in pony club when my little arab decided the next jump was too high and did a perfect sliding stop. lol I flew over her head and took out the jump with my cheek bone. :rolleyes: We were both just learning though! :p
Arabs are very smart and she was just helping you jump it by yourself. Next time she should have slide abit harder and maybe you would have cleared it.
LOL :D

Done that trick many a time too.
 

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Arabs are very smart and she was just helping you jump it by yourself.
ROFLOL!!!

But, seriously....they are extraordinarily smart. That's why they can be such trouble makers. LOL. But soooooooo extra into people and sweet.
 

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BTW Now that I'm moving I'm going to be around my horses again :D :D

and did I mention...

:D :D
 

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Yeah!!!! That's sooo exciting Saje. They are such wonderful animals. I really miss my girls...maybe some day again. (?)
 

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Well, I'm going to spoil them and try to have the bond I had with Sahara. I got caught up too much in showing and working with horses for a few years and forgot how much fun just grooming them and playing with them was. Not again!
 

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I guess if we're talking horses, the best way I can compare conditioning to communication, is conditioning would be the desensitization part of getting a horse to go past a "scary" or new object repeatedly, where as the communication would come into play with the rider using a relaxed seat, easy reins, and not making a big deal of focusing on the object. In effect, communicating nothing to fear, on the part of the rider.

I've also found with the greater danger factor with horses, the less margin for error. :)

Different than, is not being referred to as better than. Each has it's place within the interaction between horse and rider. In my view, conditioning is what's going on on the outside as far as life lessons. Communication is sharing who you are, and what you are feeling with another.
 
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I do rehabilitate "damaged dogs" from fear biters to all out super aggressive ones. I don't sit down and say "okay, I'll have to reinforce this and click that and ignore this and bridge that". Everything is in relation to the dog and his reactions. I agree with Doberluv, desenstizing IS communicating, in one of it's finest forms. I know all about body language and use it regularily. Also, a good trainer should NEVER get bitten, at least not regularily! A bite is a message to the trainer "you've gone too far, you've done something wrong". I've only been bitten four times, each time by dogs that had been "corrected" for growling, or alerting aggressively. I was still a rookie and had missed the visual cues that had pre-empted those bites, and I am willing to admit it was my fault!
Anyway, in regards to training, when I commited to and worked out my methods I thought of one thing, if it was the other way around, and I was a fearful person in THEIR paws, how would I want to be treated?
 

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I do rehabilitate "damaged dogs" from fear biters to all out super aggressive ones. I don't sit down and say "okay, I'll have to reinforce this and click that and ignore this and bridge that". Everything is in relation to the dog and his reactions. I agree with Doberluv, desenstizing IS communicating, in one of it's finest forms. I know all about body language and use it regularily. Also, a good trainer should NEVER get bitten, at least not regularily! A bite is a message to the trainer "you've gone too far, you've done something wrong". I've only been bitten four times, each time by dogs that had been "corrected" for growling, or alerting aggressively. I was still a rookie and had missed the visual cues that had pre-empted those bites, and I am willing to admit it was my fault!
Anyway, in regards to training, when I commited to and worked out my methods I thought of one thing, if it was the other way around, and I was a fearful person in THEIR paws, how would I want to be treated?
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I wish all trainers and rehabilitators would do this more often. This is how we can best learn from each other, and gain insight from different points of view. I have personally found no one perfect method for dealing with every dog. And when you throw the dynamic of the owner's personality into the mix, there is often more work involved with training the person, than rehabilitating the dog. Dogs are so much easier!

Not getting bitten is sometimes more of a case of staying out of the way of the teeth, in certain circumstances. Some dogs, usually very dominant, aggressive, and/or spoiled ones, can go into a deaf, dumb, and blind "zone" temper tantrum. Once they snap out of it, they are fine. It's how we react to it that makes all of the difference. This requires true compassion. Being overly sensitive or angry, does the dog no good. And they can sense exactly where you are coming from, who you are, and what you are feeling.

You still have to remember, dogs are not people. I can see a dog through a complete hissy fit, while containing them. Containing them, is not punishing them. I know I'm doing what's best for the dog. In most cases, it's to save his life. Once I have an image of that needle with the "pink death" going into his leg, I don't care what anyone thinks of my methods. And once we're done, it's the love and joy these dogs show towards me, and knowing their life will now be a happier one, that's my true reward.

It takes a lot of love for dogs, to stand up to the biting opinions and condemnation of others. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Cesar putting it all out there for everyone to see. I've never been able to really observe someone else doing this level of rehabilitation.

Some concerns of people trying some of these methods, without professional help are well founded. But, people will be people, and the world is not a perfect place. ;)
 

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Yes, I think there should be regular meetings for such people, even though we all tend to be ridiculously opinionated, lol.
The owners indeed! They are quite often the biggest problem, and when I started I found it was my people skills I needed the most work with!
It's so hard to stand there whilst their dog is frothing at the mouth snapping in an all out attack of fear induced aggression and not say "You idiots, what have you done?"
But, I don't touch a dog until I have gained it's trust. I find check chains much more unatural in comparison to positive reinforcement, which comes naturally to all animals.
 

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Well the "horse whisperer" method works. I know because I have trained 2 horses that way. But dog whisperer...........I must research this person. But dragging or throwing a dog into water when he is afraid doesn't get it. And all dogs can't swim or dog paddle. Forcing his fear upon the dog will get you know where.

Where do these people come from??????????????????????????????????????????
 
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Old Dog said:
Well the "horse whisperer" method works. I know because I have trained 2 horses that way. But dog whisperer...........I must research this person. But dragging or throwing a dog into water when he is afraid doesn't get it. And all dogs can't swim or dog paddle. Forcing his fear upon the dog will get you know where.

Where do these people come from??????????????????????????????????????????

I use the horse whispering techniques for most of the horses I train. Not all there are special cases but most.
 

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i saw the one where he helped a great dane (i think it was) overcome shiny/tile floors because one day he slipped and fell so he had a phobia so to say. he coaxed the dog in the building by sitting in a chair and slowly coming more and more into the building. no food rewards just reassuring words of praise. what is wrong with that? now the dog is not afraid anymore and doesn't balk at doorways.

You are right with that, he is doining a job that only a smal number of people can do.
 

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