Anyone know anything about Redbones?

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I've been researching on acquiring a new companion and came across this breed in a compatibility test. These dogs are beautiful, I have been reading anything and everything my buddy google has to say about them. I have also read the stickies in the puppy section about back yard breeders and hobby breeders. However, this breed seems to be pretty rare. Most 'distinguished' kennels excel in breeding hunting champions (out of the very few that I have found), and all seem to be "byb" I have no desire to hunt, and many articles (although most are repetitive) indicate these dogs are natural hunters but also make affectionate family pets if socialized early.

My questions are:

Do hobby breeders for such a rare breed exist?
Will a kennel that breeds hunting champions be the wrong place to look for a family pet?

Thanks in advance.
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Read anything you can find on large hounds. The coonhounds have only been placed into breeds rather recently so they are all similar (with the foxhounds having more differences but some similarities).

With hunting breeds, byb is a difficult issue. Are they their personal coon dogs? There really isn't a need for champions for the average hunter. I would hope they are still doing health tests (hips at least... big dogs) though.

A champion isn't necessarily a bad thing. Try to spend time with the parents or another dog in the same line. They might require more exercise or have more drive, but all hounds are going to have lots of both.

There are some in rescue (including a very nice one in Oregon...) if I ever get a scent hound, I think it will be a redbone.
 

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Thanks for the advice Psy. Hey I'm from nj too :) Nice photos btw. It seems they own most of their redbones, but are avid show participants and have trophies to show for them.
 

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Well I don't know about all the other stuff.... But our RB dog Teddy was part Redbone Coonhound. he was definitely a natural hunter. Very loyal, very friendly, but also protective, He was wonderful all around.
 

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Unfortunately one of the worst bites I've ever gotten as a trainer was from a redbone.

I honestly think the dog had a seizure disorder and would "disconnect" during periods of reactivity, and then go right back to normal happy behavior. It was extremely dangerous and impossible to see any signals that the dog was going to react. I felt it was similar to the "sudden rage" syndrome seen in some spaniel breeds.

This is often a hereditary trait, so if you're planning on getting a redbone and there's a small gene pool, you'll want to ask a lot of questions about the dogs and hopefully find an honest breeder. Keep in mind that any breeder who says "my dogs never have any health problems" is probably blowing smoke. Good breeders acknowledge the problems in the breed and in their own dogs.

You're taking a big risk, too, if you buy from a breeder who doesn't bother to health test. At the very least they should be doing OFA's on hips. According to the OFA site, 36% of redbones tested have shown to have hip dysplasia (granted, ionly a small number of dogs have been tested but that still isn't good).

Good luck in your search.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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I would recommend a minimum qualification, for your puppy, is a breeder that health tests parents & socializes puppies very well. That should be a given, for any breeder.

As far as buying from hunting parents... I know I would. Litters of puppies from working parents have varied temperaments. There will be very high drive pups, and there will be very low drive pups, and hopefully most of them will be moderate. A good breeder, who keeps the parents as pets, will not be breeding completely unmanageable dogs! I have only met a few Redbone Coonhounds, but all of them were very friendly and well-behaved. C: They really are cool.

If you're asking if a Redbone from non-working parents would have less hunting drive... I'm not sure. But if they are not proven hunting dogs, they technically should not be bred. Any well-bred Redbone Coonhound should have a good amount of hunting drive. Without it, you might as well go for a different breed.
 

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Redbones? Rare?

Redbones are about as common as dirt in many parts of the country. Any place south of the mason-dixon line (or west of the Appalachians) is going to be crawling with redbones and redbone breeders of various types. Is your heart set on buying from a breeder? These wonderful hounds languish in shelters by the thousands all across the country. They go stray a lot, and for some reason (that was discussed in a long thread a couple weeks ago) no one adopts large hounds.

I doubt that you'll find a non-working breeder of them who's of any quality though. These are one of the few dog breeds left that people still raise an eyebrow when you say you want one as a pet. A lot of people wind up with them as pets, but very few people actually breed them with that in mind, and anyone who did I'd find very suspect.

Redones are not an AKC registerable breed. Most redbone breeders register with UKC and the UKC has an extensive coonhunting program. The reason to register a redbone is to hunt him or her, not to have a show dog. Coonhound events do have bench shows where they conformation-show the dogs, but it's kind of not really the point, just a side thing.

If you really want to buy from a breeder, first, prepare to get shot down a lot by breeders who think that if you aren't going to work your hound, you don't deserve to own one. Then find a breeder who doesn't care that you won't work their hound, and get a pup they think is showing low drive but still has a solid temperament. One of the things to recommend a good working-line hound is this very solid, very steady, bomb-proof temperament. Working hounds have to have it. They have to work in close proximity with other hounds without loosing their heads, they have to remain focused on their task without letting other stuff bother them. My working-line hound (adopted by me as an adult--and I do not hunt) is completely unflappable (except for car rides--he hates riding in the car but no one is perfect and that's his little quirk).

Honestly, I'd really look closely in to rescue. Many of the dogs who wind up in rescue wind up there because they have the exact qualities you're looking for: they are pet quality, not working quality. That's why they are looking for a new home. There are hound-specific rescues all around the country with hounds of various ages, from young adolescents and puppies (you'd be shocked at the number of hounds that wind up in shelters already pregnant) to older dogs looking for a nice comfortable retirement home, and everything in between.
 

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Thanks for all the advice. I will definately look into rescue now after reading these posts. Do shelters typically provide health tests or any history about the pup?
 
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Not usually. Much of the health testing is for genetic diseases so once that dog is born, there isn't much you can do. They do often do a basic exam though, so at least you'll know they are presently healthy.

Redbones are rare in the North East... I am not sure how to get one shipped up north. Several of the NJ rescues do take southern dogs so it might help to tell them you are looking for one.
 

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How extensive the health examination is with a shelter dog will depend on the shelter. A good shelter or rescue will test for things like heartworm and parasites--but the genetic tests that breeders do are tests that are done on the parent dogs before they are even bred, not the pups. Once a pup is born it sort of is what it is. Having said that though, redbones as a breed are generally pretty healthy. The breed isn't plagued by a lot of the really chronic health problems that are found in some other breeds. But most shelters will take the dogs in for a vet exam, do the heartworm and parasite tests, give the dog a general look-see and evaluate their overall health.

A lot of hound rescues are national in nature, meaning they don't have a "place" where they keep the dogs. The dogs go to foster homes around the country. One might be near you, it might not.

Have you gone to petfinder yet and typed in your zip code and searched for redbones? Here's a few to get your started:

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8390948
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8364747
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=9462972

I'm a fan of Romeo, the middle one being fostered in Connecticut. He is actually the spitting image of my Marlowe, just a different color. Those looks on his face? That's what I see every single day! It's hard to resist a dog who looks at your like that.
 

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