Any bully type breed not allowed at petsmart doggy day camp
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They also mention American Bull dogs.
I do have to agree, I wouldnt leave my dog with Pet Smart employees either. Nothing against them, but they dont make enough to care all that much. They seem to do the bare minimum to get by. I am sure some are wonderful but the ones here dont seem to care all that much.
I do have to agree, I wouldnt leave my dog with Pet Smart employees either. Nothing against them, but they dont make enough to care all that much. They seem to do the bare minimum to get by. I am sure some are wonderful but the ones here dont seem to care all that much.
i agree...what's the point of temperment testing in that case? After i started reading on dogs, I came across some things I never knew, such as cocker spaniels have a tendency to bite, I always thought they were a guaranteed non aggresive dog, people also think of german shepherds sometimes as threatening but some of the best dogs I've known were shepherds. People think of cute fluffy dogs 9such as cockers and poodles as non threatening, but the worst dog I ever had growing up was a purebred small poodle- God love him, and we did bc he was our dog, but he had the worst temperament- very jittery and snappy and many times downright mean. If you went to pet him you never knew if he would allow you to, or would bite you. My dad got him bc he was so cute and fluffy. Anyways so i do think some breeds,are unfairly prejudiced against, out of a misunderstanding and fear. The best dog ewer at this shelter was a large shepherd mix, just a big boy, very sweet and totally harmless but you would see moms pulling their kids away from him and going to the snappy little fluffy dogs- kind of funny actually. I hope Petsmart will reconsider this- i'm guesing this policy is not necessarily bc they think one dog is always worse than another breed, but more out of a desire to avoid problems with potential customers (money)
The people at Petsmart have no dog smarts, in my expereinces. They are just people looking for a part time job, read a book, and think they have the dog expereince needed to deal with different dogs day in and day out. And whats even sadder is that people beleive them and end up signing up for thier classes and whatnot.
I would never leave my dog with the unquailified people of Petsmart.
I would never leave my dog with the unquailified people of Petsmart.
I agree to an extent with the other things you said, but come on. Deep-set eyes? Massive skull? That's not my breed you're talking about. The head should be proportionate to a medium-sized dog's body, and the eyes aren't deep-set.
Massive skull.....deep set eyes that are difficult to reach? That sounds like a serious medical condition & I am wondering why anyone would need to reach in for the eyeballs?
Massive skull.....deep set eyes that are difficult to reach? That sounds like a serious medical condition & I am wondering why anyone would need to reach in for the eyeballs?
In short: the dog-fighting breeds were intentionally developed to have a physique that is difficult to inflict damage upon. If you find this confusing or controversial, I really can't help you.
As I said, I agree with you to an extent. Its when you start trying to discuss the finer conformational points that it starts to get shaky. Heavier bone? Eyes set further back? Heavier brow? What are you comparing her to? The APBT is probably one of the most moderate dogs out there, when the standard is adhered to. Its their grit, determination, heart, tenacity, gameness -- whatever you choose to call it -- which makes them tougher opponents than average. They're not impervious to pain or injury; they just work through it.
Obviously I'm clearly comparing it to other breeds/types of dog. Your attempt to dismiss the issue of body type as it relates to this fabled 'gameness' is puzzling. If there is no relationship, why does the dog look as it does? Why aren't pitbulls shaped like Whippets? Why not breed fighting dogs with protuberant eyes like the Pugs? Why don't they have the long muzzles of Irish Setters and the small skull of a collie? Why don't they have the loose skin of a basset and the muscle mass of a Cocker?
Pit bulls are not 'game' or brave. They were a combo of terrier snotty and bulldog steadfastness, giving them a joi de vivre desire to do battle and an epic stubborness. People who valued dog-fighting put that mental attitude together with a body designed to withstand punishment and baffle attack. Then they called the dogs who died last 'game.' It's a brutal legacy, and I don't understand the affection pitbull people who claim to abhore the violence of organized dog-fighting have for that word.
Pit bulls are not 'game' or brave. They were a combo of terrier snotty and bulldog steadfastness, giving them a joi de vivre desire to do battle and an epic stubborness. People who valued dog-fighting put that mental attitude together with a body designed to withstand punishment and baffle attack. Then they called the dogs who died last 'game.' It's a brutal legacy, and I don't understand the affection pitbull people who claim to abhore the violence of organized dog-fighting have for that word.
No offense, but all the breeds you listed were bred for extremeties of some sort, not moderation. That's like asking why APBTs aren't huge like Great Danes or tiny like Chihuahuas. The breed calls for moderation, because extreme features detract from their ability to do any kind of serious work. The APBT is a dog that can do anything and excel at most of it. He's the ultimate versatile athlete because of his moderation. That's why when you talk about heavier skulls and such, I can't help but shake my head. A heavier, more massive skull would simply be more weight a dog would have to drag around, which would be a hinderance in anything. That doesn't mean some people don't breed for that, but it doesn't make any sense to those who use their dogs for more than to keep the couch from flying around the room.
I know you aren't trying to claim I have an affection for the word "gameness." I use it very rarely myself. It was last in the list of 5 different options I mentioned. How many terrier people in general call their dogs game? Or plucky, brave, gritty, stubborn, courageous, tenacious, etc etc etc. Dog people put a value on a temperament like that, no matter what name they call it by.
I know you aren't trying to claim I have an affection for the word "gameness." I use it very rarely myself. It was last in the list of 5 different options I mentioned. How many terrier people in general call their dogs game? Or plucky, brave, gritty, stubborn, courageous, tenacious, etc etc etc. Dog people put a value on a temperament like that, no matter what name they call it by.
I have explained my comments repeatedly; if you fail to grasp it, that's fine. If you disagree, that's fine. But I would appreciate it if you didn't attempt to twist my comments.
"when you talk about heavier skulls and such, I can't help but shake my head. A heavier, more massive skull would simply be more weight a dog would have to drag around, which would be a hinderance in anything"
Did I say that they had such massive heads they would have to 'drag them around'? Wouldn't that significantly offset the advantage in a fight? A Chihuahua might defeat a pitbull who couldn't get his big fat head off the ground.
At any rate, I'm done. Have at it, if you want, but please don't bring this whole topic, complete with affected confusion (at least, I'm hoping it's affected) into some whole new thread 3 months down the road. It was tiring enough to argue this time around.
"when you talk about heavier skulls and such, I can't help but shake my head. A heavier, more massive skull would simply be more weight a dog would have to drag around, which would be a hinderance in anything"
Did I say that they had such massive heads they would have to 'drag them around'? Wouldn't that significantly offset the advantage in a fight? A Chihuahua might defeat a pitbull who couldn't get his big fat head off the ground.
At any rate, I'm done. Have at it, if you want, but please don't bring this whole topic, complete with affected confusion (at least, I'm hoping it's affected) into some whole new thread 3 months down the road. It was tiring enough to argue this time around.
Being game does not mean the dog is a fighter, or even came from dogs that fight. Among dogmen, it might delve more into their history, but there are several breeds known for their gameness, at their particular purposes. And even beyond.
It might be tough to argue if you don't know the breed that you're arguing about.
It might be tough to argue if you don't know the breed that you're arguing about.
Most businesses, such as groomers, dog day cares and boarding kennels cannot buy insurance for their business if they groom or care for a "Pit Bull" breed.
My groomer who also has a dog day care on the premises owns Pit Bulls and she cannot have her dogs on the property at all for grooming or day care. My last groomer could not either. For the most part homeowners cannot buy insurance to cover this breed and some others on their homeowners insurance in many states the liability is high.
My groomer who also has a dog day care on the premises owns Pit Bulls and she cannot have her dogs on the property at all for grooming or day care. My last groomer could not either. For the most part homeowners cannot buy insurance to cover this breed and some others on their homeowners insurance in many states the liability is high.
There are a FEW companies that are easy on these "blacklisted breeds".
I found that Chows and many other breeds are treated just as bad when it comes to insurance. I thought we were past my breed though.
Kind of off topic though, my local Petsmart is holding a Chow Chow training day. It is part of a week-long thing they are doing, for stubborn breeds. So many little Chowlings. They often have pit bulls there, in almost every session I've seen, so I don't know if they are getting a special day.
I found that Chows and many other breeds are treated just as bad when it comes to insurance. I thought we were past my breed though.
Kind of off topic though, my local Petsmart is holding a Chow Chow training day. It is part of a week-long thing they are doing, for stubborn breeds. So many little Chowlings. They often have pit bulls there, in almost every session I've seen, so I don't know if they are getting a special day.
I worked in the insurance industry for 15 years as an investigator for their attorneys. (been there, done that in a number of "dog bite cases) There might be some low level insurance companies who will insure but I can almost guarantee you that IF an occassion should arise where there is a case, most of those insurance companies probably would not pay off or there will be a limited amount and that's if a certain case ahears to a determined criteria set forth in the policy. In other words, they have certain "if's", "and's" or "buts" and if any of those are even close to the line then they will say, "we do not have to pay because this circumstance is not covered within the boundries of your policy". Most of those low level companies do NOT have blanket coverage insurance for ANY type of bite or attack. i.e. I know of one company that only covers if someone walks onto your property and attacks the dog FIRST and then your dog bites......no kidding.......
I you feel its an arguement having to explain yourself when you share highly questionable "facts" about the breed I've been a student of since I was 8 years old, then perhaps you shouldn't share what you don't really know. I'll let this go since you're clearly unwilling to concede to anything those dang Pit Bull owners say about their own breed. But for the benefit of anybody else reading this, here are some supporting quotes (not mine) on the topic of massive skulls and deep-set eyes:
"The APBT IS A COMPLETE TOTAL AND BALANCED DOG!- HEAD structure is important but not overwhelmingly so! A massive skull has a negative impact on a breed because of the added weight without proportionate increase in strength."
"In actual practice, a dog with a small head with proper structural mechanics, has the advantage and should be preferred to a dog with a massive head that does not fulfill all of the structural requirements."
"The head of the APBT should never be exaggerated. Certainly the size of the head is NOT disproportionate to the size of the body." And this is a medium-sized breed. Thus, medium-sized head.
And on the eyes: "EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull." Nothing about them being deep-set. It is, however, written directly into the standards of such "normal" breeds as the Doberman, St. Bernard, Akita, Chow Chow, Field Spaniel, and so on. So much for comparing the APBT to other dogs.
"The APBT IS A COMPLETE TOTAL AND BALANCED DOG!- HEAD structure is important but not overwhelmingly so! A massive skull has a negative impact on a breed because of the added weight without proportionate increase in strength."
"In actual practice, a dog with a small head with proper structural mechanics, has the advantage and should be preferred to a dog with a massive head that does not fulfill all of the structural requirements."
"The head of the APBT should never be exaggerated. Certainly the size of the head is NOT disproportionate to the size of the body." And this is a medium-sized breed. Thus, medium-sized head.
And on the eyes: "EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull." Nothing about them being deep-set. It is, however, written directly into the standards of such "normal" breeds as the Doberman, St. Bernard, Akita, Chow Chow, Field Spaniel, and so on. So much for comparing the APBT to other dogs.