Animal Rights?

[Lilavati]

lilivati
beyond the detrimental health effects, worldwide veganism would require doubling the worlds actual farmed acreage (by a factor of about 10 if the AR whackos had their way & completely banned hunting & trapping even for crop protection) farmed land alone supports minimal wildlife but it supports a huge tonnage of wildlife when adequate cover exists around it. if predation control is permitted w/o the big numbers of sport hunters it would require techniques (like poison bait & lethal trapping) that would produce a huge bykill. additionally the cost of govt paid proffessional hunters using govt supplied material in the USA alone would be a tax burden at least 10X higher than current USDA activities.

Pops, I am in no way advocating any sort of law or policy forcing people to eat only plants. However, I suspect that people eating less meat (even if by some of them eating no meat while others eat the same) wold decrease factory farms and the ammount of grain and such that is fed to livestock, rather than people. And, I did say vegitarianism, not veganism. Veganism is unviable . . . and unhealthy. As for banning pest control . . . that's nuts. But then that's PETA. Which is my point. Take a reasonably good idea, or at least one that is not insane, and use it as a front for an idea that is totally bug nuts.

 

[lucyloo2]

I am 100% for animal WELFARE, not animal rights. I agree with most of what has been said here. PETA has a much darker agenda than what is apparent at first glance. Did anybody hear about their protest of the Westminster Dog Show? They were comparing the AKC to the KKK. It was quite offensive. Most of their campaigns are pretty offensive. I know PETA and other animal rights groups have gone to dog shows and released animals from their kennels, let horses and cattle loose at horse shows and rodeos, etc...etc...they are just way too fanatical.

PETA also put down the vast majority of the animals they take into their shelters, in 2008 they euthanized 95% of them.
PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com

They also show up to 4-H events and Jr.Rodeos and harrass children into tears. They spread blatant lies about the dairy and meat industries, dog breeders, rodeos, horse shows, etc....trying to get people to on their side to ban them.

I would much rather donate my money to animal shelters and rescue organizations, where people are actually striving to help animals, not just put on the face pretending to

 

[corgipower]

The only premise on which I support vegetarianism is that humans are more suited to eating plants than eating animals. Our teeth, our digestive tract, our organs - we just don't handle meat eating as well as carnivores do.

 

[lucyloo2]

I don't have anything against vegetarians, to be honest I don't care what anybody else wants to eat Just as long as they don't push it on me. I like being an omnivore, I enjoy eating both meat and plants! LOL!

We eat mostly wild meat (my fiance hunts), which is a lot leaner than beef. However both my parents and my fiance's parents raise cattle so we do get some beef from them, but we definitely eat a lot more deer.

 

[xpaeanx]

The only premise on which I support vegetarianism is that humans are more suited to eating plants than eating animals. Our teeth, our digestive tract, our organs - we just don't handle meat eating as well as carnivores do.

Which goes back to our ancestors, they ate very little meat because they had to hunt it. So they lived mostly on plants, nuts and berries, with some meats(often smaller, leaner meats too like fish and fowl). Which people who eat that same diet today are MUCH healthier.

So cutting back on the meat portions is actually a very good thing... but going to the level that some "pro-vegetarian/vegan" organizations do... that's just scary.

 

[Pops2]

Xpaenx
that's a myth spread by the false prophets of veganism. out ancestors were very effective hunters only partly because they were cooperative & tool makers. how much meat was in a person's diet depended on what the ecosystem provided. in marginal areas like the arctic & subarctic wastes and desert edge/high plains where edible plants are limited in availability & volume it was (in fact still is) common for people to live to 40-50 w/o ever tasting a single bite of plant based food.
pig GIs are studied because they are almost identical to our own, IOW our body's digestive system is best suited to the same diet as wild pigs which is shockingly high in red meat (they eat a lot of carrion as well as killing a variety of red meated animals). our dental structure is closest to chimpanzees which also eat a surprisingly large amount of red meat (mostly monkeys). once again the healthiest diet varies between individuals.

Corgipower
you're right true carnivores (lions & dogs) extract more nutrition from meat than we do but they also produce acids that allow them to extract some nutrition from hair & bone. but they also obtain little or no nutrition from plant based foods (like soybeans & grains used in commercial dog foods). for that matter lacking a rumen & a fully functional appendix prevents our obtaining maximum nutrition from plant foods.
our omnivorous habit is what gave us the flexability to occupy the extremes of the arctic, the kalahari & the amazon.

 

[mrose_s]

I havn't eaten meat in over 4 years now. Honestly, I have nothing against peole eating meat and most people are shocked to here that. I have huge issues with people being willfully ignorant to animals suffering in the modern intensive farming system.

I fully support sustainable hunting, I think its great. I have considered learning to hunt just for dog food because I think, done properly, it is the most humane method.

I don't want the whole world to go vego... where would we get our dog meat then?
But I think when standard farming practices brutally contradict basic animal welfare laws, there is something wrong and I think if I hear one more person say "Don't tell me about it, I like my meat" I think I will scream. If you seriously think I could put you off it by telling you how its produced... how are you still eating it?

I could track down humanely produced meat/eggs/dairy etc but after looking into it for so long, it is actually much easier to avoid it altogether. I'll probably never go back, I do feel healthier and I eat much better being vegan but its not for everyone however is something I feel very, very strongly about.

 

[sillysally]

Honestly, I don't see what it matters what anyone eats. If someone want to go veggie or vegan--more power to 'em.

 

[keathjohn]

we want to be in friendly nature with them

 

[Dekka]

we want to be in friendly nature with them

With who? THe animal rights people? Why? Does "in friendly nature" mean out in happy woods? So we should sit in happy woods with the animal rights activists?

I am confused!