Amazon.com defends animal fighting?
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I don't think they should sell anything like that, but if there is a demand for it (puke) then there is really nothing that can be done about it 
maybe I am wrong but they are probably allowed to sell whatever they want.
However, we could start a boycott! It would be easy for me because I never buy from amazon anyways!!!
maybe I am wrong but they are probably allowed to sell whatever they want. However, we could start a boycott! It would be easy for me because I never buy from amazon anyways!!!
Yeah.. I don't know... I know companies do sell things that are illegal to use (drug stuff, automotive parts and so forth) so I don't know where that line gets drawn... although all those other illegal items are justified by saying it's for tobacco use or is going onto a race car that won't ever be on the street and so forth...
This is selling a product for exactly what it is... then again you can sell things like High Times which is exactly what it is...
I certainly don't think it's right but don't know that there is anything that can be done... other then the afore mentioned idea of boycott amazon... I know me doing so won't hurt there business though... I have never bought anything from there... I don't think anybody I know has eitehr...
This is selling a product for exactly what it is... then again you can sell things like High Times which is exactly what it is...
I certainly don't think it's right but don't know that there is anything that can be done... other then the afore mentioned idea of boycott amazon... I know me doing so won't hurt there business though... I have never bought anything from there... I don't think anybody I know has eitehr...
I'd say it's definitely wrong, and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. But that sort of stuff makes me puke, and they make money off it, so I think we're both biased. If they're not actually BREAKING any laws.. then I don't really know what to do, except change the law. I would assume that selling things pertaining to and encouraging illegal activities in countries where it is illegal would be.. well, illegal. But maybe not.
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i don't think they should be able to sell things that are against the law, but they There are also things they sell against it. Off the chain is a DVD they sell. the reviews on it are good.
i still don't think they should be allowed to sell an illegal fighting magazine, but they can argue that people have a right to read what they want and that they have a right to sell what they want.
They should not be able to sell it, but i don't think anyone can do a thing about it.
i still don't think they should be allowed to sell an illegal fighting magazine, but they can argue that people have a right to read what they want and that they have a right to sell what they want.
They should not be able to sell it, but i don't think anyone can do a thing about it.
You'd think so... but sometime go to your local "specialty smoke shop" pick up a copy of high times or other such magazines and read all the articles about growing better pot.
Something illegal to do... but apparently you can still write about it.
I wouldn't have thought there would be a huge market for dog fighting and rooster fighting magazines...
I think this needs to be a fact that gets otu to the general public more... I would have never known about it.
Something illegal to do... but apparently you can still write about it.
I wouldn't have thought there would be a huge market for dog fighting and rooster fighting magazines...
I think this needs to be a fact that gets otu to the general public more... I would have never known about it.
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As the law stands, it is apparently illegal to mail a magazine across state lines. I would think however, that the section I bolded may be unconstitutional! It depends on how one defines promote (ie selling of supplies or simply selling a magazine). We can then get into a discussion on obscene speech.
Still, I don't think its Amazon's problem that the magazine includes ads controlled by the magazine. As long as the products purchased from the advertisers is shipped in state, it may be legal.
Ban the Action, not the Speach....
As the law stands, it is apparently illegal to mail a magazine across state lines. I would think however, that the section I bolded may be unconstitutional! It depends on how one defines promote (ie selling of supplies or simply selling a magazine). We can then get into a discussion on obscene speech.
Still, I don't think its Amazon's problem that the magazine includes ads controlled by the magazine. As long as the products purchased from the advertisers is shipped in state, it may be legal.
Ban the Action, not the Speach....
I agree with Sharky. There are publications about a lot of illegal activities out there, and they're sold quite freely. Anyone trying to get rid of dogfighting magazines specifically doesn't really have a leg to stand on in that respect.
The only way to get rid of dogfighting magazines is to get away of all those other magazines, period. But then you run the risk of going against free speech. And frankly, I think it's been trampled on quite enough lately.
I'd rather fight the dogfighting directly. If you don't like the magazine, don't buy it. Besides, one of the best ways to make something popular is to make a campaign against it. If I recall correctly, sales of the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" more than tripled after a campaign was started against its hidden sex scenes. Heck, you can't buy that kind of marketing power.
The only way to get rid of dogfighting magazines is to get away of all those other magazines, period. But then you run the risk of going against free speech. And frankly, I think it's been trampled on quite enough lately.
I'd rather fight the dogfighting directly. If you don't like the magazine, don't buy it. Besides, one of the best ways to make something popular is to make a campaign against it. If I recall correctly, sales of the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" more than tripled after a campaign was started against its hidden sex scenes. Heck, you can't buy that kind of marketing power.
LOL.....
So if you didn't like pornography you would boycott them for selling playboy or hustler? LIke mentioned before.... hightimes promotes pot smoking but it is a perfectly legal magazine. You don't smoke the magazine
Paraphernalia is NOT illegal and you know who BUYS those magazines? people who are already INTO that sort of thing.... it does NOT promote the illegal activity.... it is likely not going to attract NEW game fighters but just give the old game fighters something to read.... and perhaps if they are reading they are not fighting
Most people don't buy bongs because they think they are pretty they buy them because they plan to smoke something out of them lol. Most don't buy a bong and THEN decide to start smoking pot lol
If you are going to stop shopping everywhere that sells something you don't like... how do you manage to shop anywhere?
Of COURSE I think game fighting is wrong..... and would I buy the magazines and support the company that publishes them? of course not.... but I think Amazon has every right to sell materials that are legal. Ban the deed not the breed right.... so fight the cause not the stupid writings about it.
So if you didn't like pornography you would boycott them for selling playboy or hustler? LIke mentioned before.... hightimes promotes pot smoking but it is a perfectly legal magazine. You don't smoke the magazine
Paraphernalia is NOT illegal and you know who BUYS those magazines? people who are already INTO that sort of thing.... it does NOT promote the illegal activity.... it is likely not going to attract NEW game fighters but just give the old game fighters something to read.... and perhaps if they are reading they are not fighting
Most people don't buy bongs because they think they are pretty
they buy them because they plan to smoke something out of them lol. Most don't buy a bong and THEN decide to start smoking pot lolIf you are going to stop shopping everywhere that sells something you don't like... how do you manage to shop anywhere?
Of COURSE I think game fighting is wrong..... and would I buy the magazines and support the company that publishes them? of course not.... but I think Amazon has every right to sell materials that are legal. Ban the deed not the breed right.... so fight the cause not the stupid writings about it.
Well...pictures of naked consenting adults are legal,,,so much for that
I don't want money that I earn and have control over to go the same place as people who approve of fighting (directly or indirectly) dogs.
The comparison that you used of Playboy or Hustlers would have been more accurate if you named a magazine or group that championed child molesting. Yes child molesting is worst than dogfighting but it has the innocent victims and exploitation elements.
The "High Times" comparison, I personally don't think Pot is any worse than whiskey...but that is another thread. I still believe that it doesn't make sense to allow the sale of a Magazine that's whole purpose is to encourage people to break the law.
Will a magazine create new dog fighters? I think any magazine encourages interest and expands participation in any activity. I have become a more prolific camper and hiker since I subscribed to Back Packer, because it has given me a ton of ideas. When I was younger I picked up a copy of Muscle and Fitness and I started lifting weights religiously for several years.....so magazines, TV and other media effect people much more than you think. They can change casual interest into full blown "Hobbies".
I don't want money that I earn and have control over to go the same place as people who approve of fighting (directly or indirectly) dogs.
The comparison that you used of Playboy or Hustlers would have been more accurate if you named a magazine or group that championed child molesting. Yes child molesting is worst than dogfighting but it has the innocent victims and exploitation elements.
The "High Times" comparison, I personally don't think Pot is any worse than whiskey...but that is another thread. I still believe that it doesn't make sense to allow the sale of a Magazine that's whole purpose is to encourage people to break the law.
Will a magazine create new dog fighters? I think any magazine encourages interest and expands participation in any activity. I have become a more prolific camper and hiker since I subscribed to Back Packer, because it has given me a ton of ideas. When I was younger I picked up a copy of Muscle and Fitness and I started lifting weights religiously for several years.....so magazines, TV and other media effect people much more than you think. They can change casual interest into full blown "Hobbies".
I believe the Supreme Court restricted Child Pornography bans a while ago.
(Without actually looking it up again) They felt that the purpose was to protect minors. The act of making it, using, and endangering children was the illegal part. Thinking about it, or writing about it, no matter how despicable you think it is, is not illegal.
Similarly, you can not stop people from producing a magazine. You can restrict images that may appear in it. If they publish a picture of a dog or cockfight, go after their records and arrest them for the felony that was committed.
Its everyones right to not support Amazon if they do not want to, but I DO draw the line at asking the government (through that law or otherwise) at becoming a thought police or restricting free dissemination of ideas.
Cockfights today, abortion tomorrow, political dissent the next day.
(Without actually looking it up again) They felt that the purpose was to protect minors. The act of making it, using, and endangering children was the illegal part. Thinking about it, or writing about it, no matter how despicable you think it is, is not illegal.
Similarly, you can not stop people from producing a magazine. You can restrict images that may appear in it. If they publish a picture of a dog or cockfight, go after their records and arrest them for the felony that was committed.
Its everyones right to not support Amazon if they do not want to, but I DO draw the line at asking the government (through that law or otherwise) at becoming a thought police or restricting free dissemination of ideas.
Cockfights today, abortion tomorrow, political dissent the next day.
That's your personal opinion and unfortunately there are many anti drug activists who wouldn't necesarily agree(I agree it's not any worse, but anyways... another day).
Police and animal cruelty units would be further ahead to get there own subscriptions to these things to get more info as to where they are happening.
The problem with banning this type of illegal activity is that there will also be other groups to follow suit. You open a rather unpleasant arguement up to the geneal public and while the general populace will agree there will be other groups who will speak up and demand that a particular type of publication they don't like be legislated against.
The scanario reminds me more of an episode of the Simpsons in which the town was governed by a group of smart people (council of Alphas).
Professor Frink got up and announced they would be banning brutal sports like pit fighting and cock fighting, basically any blood sport.
Then announced the more palatable sports like boxing both kick and regular were banned along with a few others, which some people cheered, but only about half of the original, and then football, pushups and anything that involved removing your shirt, which just got an angery responce from the gathered crowd.
Bit of a convolunted anicdote, so I hope it gets the point across still.
They should be gotten rid of, but through a social conscience as opposed to government intervention.
Police and animal cruelty units would be further ahead to get there own subscriptions to these things to get more info as to where they are happening.
The problem with banning this type of illegal activity is that there will also be other groups to follow suit. You open a rather unpleasant arguement up to the geneal public and while the general populace will agree there will be other groups who will speak up and demand that a particular type of publication they don't like be legislated against.
The scanario reminds me more of an episode of the Simpsons in which the town was governed by a group of smart people (council of Alphas).
Professor Frink got up and announced they would be banning brutal sports like pit fighting and cock fighting, basically any blood sport.
Then announced the more palatable sports like boxing both kick and regular were banned along with a few others, which some people cheered, but only about half of the original, and then football, pushups and anything that involved removing your shirt, which just got an angery responce from the gathered crowd.
Bit of a convolunted anicdote, so I hope it gets the point across still.
They should be gotten rid of, but through a social conscience as opposed to government intervention.