All Around Farm Dog??
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There is a huge amount of variation. The coyotes in western WA get pretty large, 40 lbs isn't unusual at all. The ones in Arizona look more like scrawny foxes on stilts. It didn't keep them from killing goats though.
And Renee has an extremely good point about the level of experience a pack of coyotes, who have killed for survival from an early age, vs. a well fed rottie (or aussie, etc.) who has never killed anything in its life. Around here there is a big pack. Once in a while I will be out and hear something like this going on at night:
Dog: "WOOF WOOF WOOF"
Single coyote: "Yip, yippity yip yip"
Dog: "AROOO WOOF WOOF BARK"
Single coyote: "Yippity yippity"
Dog (getting closer to the yippity sound): "WOOF WOOF YIIIIIIPPPPPPPE"
Followed by a babble of yippity sounds, and no more woofing. In the following days, lost dog posters go up. People really should stop letting their dogs out to pee unsupervised at night. They've come up to our fence three times so far when I've taken Kaia out. She goes ballistic trying to kill them through the wire, but they just grin at her and swish their tails. I know those two have got half a dozen as backup and they would kill and eat her the instant she chased them over the little rise on the hill, cheeky bastards.
And Renee has an extremely good point about the level of experience a pack of coyotes, who have killed for survival from an early age, vs. a well fed rottie (or aussie, etc.) who has never killed anything in its life. Around here there is a big pack. Once in a while I will be out and hear something like this going on at night:
Dog: "WOOF WOOF WOOF"
Single coyote: "Yip, yippity yip yip"
Dog: "AROOO WOOF WOOF BARK"
Single coyote: "Yippity yippity"
Dog (getting closer to the yippity sound): "WOOF WOOF YIIIIIIPPPPPPPE"
Followed by a babble of yippity sounds, and no more woofing. In the following days, lost dog posters go up. People really should stop letting their dogs out to pee unsupervised at night. They've come up to our fence three times so far when I've taken Kaia out. She goes ballistic trying to kill them through the wire, but they just grin at her and swish their tails. I know those two have got half a dozen as backup and they would kill and eat her the instant she chased them over the little rise on the hill, cheeky bastards.
fox & coyote are built like sighthounds and so look bigger than what they weigh. wild reds (the biggest in north america) top out in the low 20s but average in the mid teens. (domestic reds on fur farms have gotten up to 30)
adult coyotes bottom out in the low 20s and eastern coyotes hit the low 50s but average weight in most of their range is the low 30s. the so called coywolves of maine & new england can reach the low 70s but average weight is the high 30s. in all areas where they consistantly hit 40# or bigger they prey primarily on deer year round. they are less likely to get as big in areas where deer predation is seasonal and their main prey is smaller game.
bobs like all cats have low muscle density & like fox & coyote look bigger than they weigh. they are bigger the farther north you go, topping out in the mid 40s in northern states & canada.
game pitbulldogs & lone LGDs have been killed by packs of the little western coyotes. so no single dog is going to do the job of getting rid of them.
adult coyotes bottom out in the low 20s and eastern coyotes hit the low 50s but average weight in most of their range is the low 30s. the so called coywolves of maine & new england can reach the low 70s but average weight is the high 30s. in all areas where they consistantly hit 40# or bigger they prey primarily on deer year round. they are less likely to get as big in areas where deer predation is seasonal and their main prey is smaller game.
bobs like all cats have low muscle density & like fox & coyote look bigger than they weigh. they are bigger the farther north you go, topping out in the mid 40s in northern states & canada.
game pitbulldogs & lone LGDs have been killed by packs of the little western coyotes. so no single dog is going to do the job of getting rid of them.
Ours are tall (GSD height) but yes build more like sight hounds. They happily kill and eat goats, sheep and calves. If you ever get to see a dead one and move it, there is no weight there. Here the gov has a bounty on coyotes. One of our neighbours lost 100 lambs in one season to coyotes.
They are so plentiful you see them in broad daylight. All farms around here that have sheep or goats also have donkeys, lamas, or Maremas. But you hear all the time of the farm dog running them off. Coyotes here don't tend to go in large packs as its counter productive. There is so much small game (rabbits, sheep etc) that a large pack isn't useful. (they will pack up if the game is large like older calves, deer). But generally coyotes live on mice, rabbits etc. I can't say I have heard of these ones killing larger dogs. (really a lot of LGD aren't that much bigger than a rottie, I know of MANY BMD that are about the same size just a little stockier, perhaps even shorter. If a rottie wouldn't be safe then I wouldn't leave out ANY dog) You do hear of the wolves killing dogs, or the hybrids.
There is a HUGE project in the conservation world with studying wolf and coyote DNA. Because some of the hybrids are viable and are pushing out the parental populations. I still say most fit healthy largish dogs have little to worry about a pure coyote. Coydogs and Coywolves are different though.
When picking a farm dog its useful to know what is around and what you need it for. I would never pick a BMD as they are short lived and aren't terribly athletic, when I think farm dog I think a dog who can hang out with the people all day, not a dog who just lies in the shade whilst you do the chores lol.
That said Bounce is an awesome farm dog. She doesn't bother with live stock, sticks around, is pleasant company and has a good coat for dealing with temperature extremes. Now she is too small to take on a coyote (she's 17 pounds) and likely wouldn't even try but I don't need dogs for that.
They are so plentiful you see them in broad daylight. All farms around here that have sheep or goats also have donkeys, lamas, or Maremas. But you hear all the time of the farm dog running them off. Coyotes here don't tend to go in large packs as its counter productive. There is so much small game (rabbits, sheep etc) that a large pack isn't useful. (they will pack up if the game is large like older calves, deer). But generally coyotes live on mice, rabbits etc. I can't say I have heard of these ones killing larger dogs. (really a lot of LGD aren't that much bigger than a rottie, I know of MANY BMD that are about the same size just a little stockier, perhaps even shorter. If a rottie wouldn't be safe then I wouldn't leave out ANY dog) You do hear of the wolves killing dogs, or the hybrids.
There is a HUGE project in the conservation world with studying wolf and coyote DNA. Because some of the hybrids are viable and are pushing out the parental populations. I still say most fit healthy largish dogs have little to worry about a pure coyote. Coydogs and Coywolves are different though.
When picking a farm dog its useful to know what is around and what you need it for. I would never pick a BMD as they are short lived and aren't terribly athletic, when I think farm dog I think a dog who can hang out with the people all day, not a dog who just lies in the shade whilst you do the chores lol.
That said Bounce is an awesome farm dog. She doesn't bother with live stock, sticks around, is pleasant company and has a good coat for dealing with temperature extremes. Now she is too small to take on a coyote (she's 17 pounds) and likely wouldn't even try but I don't need dogs for that.
Honestly, if I wanted a farm dog who could do some chores but was only going to be a single dog, I'd go for a dog that had enough sense not to chase after coyotes alone, but would alert me when they came around so I could get some firepower. 
Strider's dad used to sleep in the baby goat pen to ward off coyotes, and has some battle scars from when the coyotes came in anyway and he had to kill them. Borzois aren't conventional LGDs though. He was also blooded on western jacks and other game before that encounter as well.
Strider's dad used to sleep in the baby goat pen to ward off coyotes, and has some battle scars from when the coyotes came in anyway and he had to kill them. Borzois aren't conventional LGDs though. He was also blooded on western jacks and other game before that encounter as well.
We have had a injured 130lb CAS killed AFTER he killed 3 Coyotes IN CT.
That came into the garage after his cats. He had a bad leg from falling thru ice chasing them and cut it up.
Pack dogs are stronger but some of the larger LGDS CO, Sar, Kangal , CAS are 150-200lbs and they have taken on packs of coyotes and lone wolves and survived.
The reord of a Wilson Coyote hit 75 lbs years ago with the rifle contest at wilson conservation club.
One on one a nice lgd can handle one coyote.
Here is a pic of one that was kiled by a 120lb female in CA note CA coyotes average 30 pounds.
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Here is the coyote den on our property behind the livestock pens.
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This is a dog trying to dig out a fox den she did not get the fox.
But did get a skunk.
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Since we got rid of chickens most coyotes stay off only when we are lambing do we here them.
That came into the garage after his cats. He had a bad leg from falling thru ice chasing them and cut it up.
Pack dogs are stronger but some of the larger LGDS CO, Sar, Kangal , CAS are 150-200lbs and they have taken on packs of coyotes and lone wolves and survived.
The reord of a Wilson Coyote hit 75 lbs years ago with the rifle contest at wilson conservation club.
One on one a nice lgd can handle one coyote.
Here is a pic of one that was kiled by a 120lb female in CA note CA coyotes average 30 pounds.
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Here is the coyote den on our property behind the livestock pens.
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This is a dog trying to dig out a fox den she did not get the fox.
But did get a skunk.
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Since we got rid of chickens most coyotes stay off only when we are lambing do we here them.
Found this .
Women killed by coyotes.
Rising folk star Taylor Mitchell killed by coyotes | News.com.au
Women killed by coyotes.
Rising folk star Taylor Mitchell killed by coyotes | News.com.au
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our bobcats here are bigger than our coyotes here (we don't have bobcats HERE on LI, but upstate and in rescue centers and stuff). I'd say our bobcats get to be the size of like...maybe a BIG cocker/springer or small wheaten terrier, and our coyotes get to be maybe a little bit bigger than a JRT or the size of a regular sized cocker.
I imagine from looking at them, the bobcats here are around 40 lbs and the coyotes here are like 20-25 lbs.
I imagine from looking at them, the bobcats here are around 40 lbs and the coyotes here are like 20-25 lbs.
I live in the same province that this happened. Like Dekka said this is an unheard of phenomenon. Only 2 deaths have ever been recorded in North America due to coyotes. But because of this, even against the science communities recommendations a bounty has been placed on coyotes. Our coyotes also are genetically different from the western and southern counterparts because they contain wolf DNA. They wouldn't be called coyote/wolf hybrids persay but they do contain ancestral wolf in their make up. This also accounts for the large size of our coyotes. We have some of the largest coyotes in North America and even then they only weigh on average 30lbs. Just remeber that like the Border Collie, the fur on a coyote can make it look much larger than it actually is.
Although this was taken from wikipedia (so make of it what you will), it seems that Texas has more of these dangerous coydogs causing havoc on farms then in other parts of NA.
Some people here use donkeys and others use LGD's, mostly Pyrs or Maremmas.
Although this was taken from wikipedia (so make of it what you will), it seems that Texas has more of these dangerous coydogs causing havoc on farms then in other parts of NA.
Some people here use donkeys and others use LGD's, mostly Pyrs or Maremmas.