All Around Farm Dog??
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Boerboel....its right in the name 
Some are DA but if you find the right breeder (like Harris Boerboels)
Harris Boerboels
They can work just fine around dogs that are supposed to be on your property.
Some are DA but if you find the right breeder (like Harris Boerboels)
Harris Boerboels
They can work just fine around dogs that are supposed to be on your property.
None of those dogs are going to be safe from coyotes. One coyote will taunt them to give chase and get them far enough away, then the rest appear and dinner is served.
But BC, aussies, lab mixes and all such typical farm dogs often run off coyotes. Wolves are a different matter, and coywolves. But straight up coyotes are pretty shy and are fairly easily run off by med-large dogs.
And just from going by what is a typical farm dog most are lab/bc crosses or lab something else crosses. If you get a dog with a strong herding drive it takes a lot to train them to leave the stock alone (I now have first hand experience with that) Esp if you want to be able to work around the stock with the dog present but not helping.
Around here, coyotes eat Rottweilers. Literally.
Lots of people here have donkeys and lamas are also very good herd protection.
We have a few that are crossing with feral dogs, but the coyotes here are getting bigger and bolder on their own. Plenty of food sources, lots of cover, very little interference, so as they evolve into the niche here (the wolf population was decimated when the elk was wiped out, allowing the increasingly aggressive coyote population to overwhelm it and finish it off), they're becoming bigger and stronger.
Even at 40 - 50 lbs., even a smallish pack coyotes is more than a match for a domestic Rottie, Lab, GSD, Doberman, etc. that's never been blooded, let alone killed. I've come to realize that most domestic dogs are SO domesticated that they just aren't hard-wired for the kill anymore; the coyotes are.
We're seeing more people with wild donkeys and llamas here, too, but the problem with that is you MUST have the donkeys altered -- they breed like rabbits, and you'd better not let your dog get into the field with them, they don't differentiate between coyotes and the family pets.
Even at 40 - 50 lbs., even a smallish pack coyotes is more than a match for a domestic Rottie, Lab, GSD, Doberman, etc. that's never been blooded, let alone killed. I've come to realize that most domestic dogs are SO domesticated that they just aren't hard-wired for the kill anymore; the coyotes are.
We're seeing more people with wild donkeys and llamas here, too, but the problem with that is you MUST have the donkeys altered -- they breed like rabbits, and you'd better not let your dog get into the field with them, they don't differentiate between coyotes and the family pets.
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This is so true...house dogs, domesticated dogs, have evolved SO much over the past 75 years. You hear so many trainers and dog people saying "they're not people", which is very very true, but they're also not wild animals, you can't train a dog the way you'd train a wolf.
I can't say I've ever seen a 40 lb coyote!! Around here they're no bigger than raccoons or housecats and upstate (where my grandma used to live with an abundance of wolves, elk, etc.) the biggest they got was maybe 30 lbs, and that'd be a BIG coyote.
I can't say I've ever seen a 40 lb coyote!! Around here they're no bigger than raccoons or housecats and upstate (where my grandma used to live with an abundance of wolves, elk, etc.) the biggest they got was maybe 30 lbs, and that'd be a BIG coyote.
Please tell that to my neighbors. We moved in they had 2 donkeys. Now they have a herd. And they're loud.
Definitely second the fact that donkeys don't differentiate between dogs and coyotes.
The yotes here are pretty big- 40 lbs or more. I guess they're about border collie size overall. They also stay in rather large groups for yotes too. You can hear dozens at night. My neighbors old(past, she wasn't OLD at the time) golden was mauled by coyotes. Not killed because they heard it early enough. 3 jumped the fence into the yard while she was out pottying. No telling how many more were in the woods waiting. There was also two pit bulls attacked by a lone coyote in their yard. Both pits had extensive damage to them but I don't think the coyote lived that one. It ran off but was very injured and they could never find it.
You see them out surveying the cattle fields all the time.
I personally love coyotes but they're a very real danger to just about any dog here. You do see some serious guardian dogs- pyrs and anatolians mostly but most people have about 2-4 donkeys to do the job.
Definitely second the fact that donkeys don't differentiate between dogs and coyotes.
The yotes here are pretty big- 40 lbs or more. I guess they're about border collie size overall. They also stay in rather large groups for yotes too. You can hear dozens at night. My neighbors old(past, she wasn't OLD at the time) golden was mauled by coyotes. Not killed because they heard it early enough. 3 jumped the fence into the yard while she was out pottying. No telling how many more were in the woods waiting. There was also two pit bulls attacked by a lone coyote in their yard. Both pits had extensive damage to them but I don't think the coyote lived that one. It ran off but was very injured and they could never find it.
You see them out surveying the cattle fields all the time.
I personally love coyotes but they're a very real danger to just about any dog here. You do see some serious guardian dogs- pyrs and anatolians mostly but most people have about 2-4 donkeys to do the job.
There's a pack that routinely cut through the trailer park next to the farm. It wasn't unusual to see 12+ at one time. They cut through the pasture all the time . . . before Buffy . . . . But bear in mind, my dogs have all killed from an early age. Kharma dispatched her first groundhog when she was 5 months old. Coyotes are wily and they have a pretty good idea of what's what.
I talked to a woman whose family raises goats. They kept having trouble with the neighbor's Dobes killing the goats, especially the young kids, as well as losing too many to coyotes, so they got a pair of Pyrs and let them grow up with the goats.
The Pyrs don't bother anything outside the pasture fence; the coyotes will sit on the other side of the fence and look in, but anything, coyote, dog, ANY predator that passes that fence line and comes into the pasture is dead.
I talked to a woman whose family raises goats. They kept having trouble with the neighbor's Dobes killing the goats, especially the young kids, as well as losing too many to coyotes, so they got a pair of Pyrs and let them grow up with the goats.
The Pyrs don't bother anything outside the pasture fence; the coyotes will sit on the other side of the fence and look in, but anything, coyote, dog, ANY predator that passes that fence line and comes into the pasture is dead.
English shepherd from old farm stock.
regards to coyote wolf lion protection CASD ( some lines are dog aggression some are not) but will BITE intruders if they tresspass and dont take the 1 2 or 3rd warning consisting of growing barking moch charging tooth but then bite.
They dont eat people and like to meet knew peopleif family is home
this is a 4month old bear type heavy his dad killed 3 coyotes at once and back off a mountain lion he also is 160 pounds with massive bone , coyote bit and barely got thru thick skin.
http://centralasianshepherd.homestead.com/newmudshotspandc_022.JPG
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regards to coyote wolf lion protection CASD ( some lines are dog aggression some are not) but will BITE intruders if they tresspass and dont take the 1 2 or 3rd warning consisting of growing barking moch charging tooth but then bite.
They dont eat people and like to meet knew peopleif family is home
this is a 4month old bear type heavy his dad killed 3 coyotes at once and back off a mountain lion he also is 160 pounds with massive bone , coyote bit and barely got thru thick skin.
http://centralasianshepherd.homestead.com/newmudshotspandc_022.JPG
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