Am I saying people should water down working breeds? Can't see where I mentioned what a fantastic idea I think that is.... I don't understand the need to get a dog as a pup. I'msure you could find a shelter dog that's good with babies. Even if you get your puppy from a good breeder, there's a chance a puppy won't turn out right, regardless of socialization. You never know how a puppy will turn out, period, no matter how well-bred... many great dogs have produced culls. Of course, it's up to you, and it's all purely a matter of personal preference. It's possible that my opinion might be colored by being too softhearted... It pains me to see people breeding simply for companion dogs when so many wonderful companion dogs get piled up into the freezer in the back room of a shelter every day. But that's just me.