akc to allow mixed breed dogs
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This is an organization primarily for purebreds, so no, it does not bother me if they want to limit how much mixed breeds are allowed to compete. Some people have been screaming that mixed breeds should be able to compete, others insisting that only purebreds should be involved, and at the end of the day there was a compromise. What's the saying?---You can tell it's a true compromise when neither party is happy....
Were there thoughts of cash flow involved in the decision? Probably, but the AKC is a business and just like every other business is allowed to make money. Actually, the AKC does a lot of political action on the behalf of pet owners--anti mandatory S/N, advocacy against the banning of breeds and cropping and docking. Can you prove the cash isn't going at least partly to that? Strangely, I never hear people on here whine about the actions of the AKC when they are speaking out against banning cropping and docking or mandatory S/N....
If I suddenly had the urge to compete with Sally, I would likely do so under mixed breed rules, and can say this wouldn't bother me in the least. If it did bother me so much, I would just compete somewhere else.
I just don't see what people are getting their panties all in a bunch about....
Were there thoughts of cash flow involved in the decision? Probably, but the AKC is a business and just like every other business is allowed to make money. Actually, the AKC does a lot of political action on the behalf of pet owners--anti mandatory S/N, advocacy against the banning of breeds and cropping and docking. Can you prove the cash isn't going at least partly to that? Strangely, I never hear people on here whine about the actions of the AKC when they are speaking out against banning cropping and docking or mandatory S/N....
If I suddenly had the urge to compete with Sally, I would likely do so under mixed breed rules, and can say this wouldn't bother me in the least. If it did bother me so much, I would just compete somewhere else.
I just don't see what people are getting their panties all in a bunch about....
After perusing many many posts in the agility world about this I came across this little tidbit...
interesting that the link worked yesterday and does not now...
So one of the goals is to make mixed breed owners to 'see the light' and realize that their mixed breed is inferior.
And for the money grabbing... It costs 75% more to register your mixed breed dog than registering your puppy with the AKC. Hmm that sounds great...
The thing is that they are throwing out their mandate.. which is to promote and protect the purebred dog just on the hopes of grabbing a little more money from mixed breed owners. The thing is even in all breed agility mixed breeds make up less than a 5th (in some cases WAY less) of the over all entries. You are not talking huge increases.
Ok so then take obedience. It could be a good thing as there is little to no other options for your mixed breed to do obedience. But wait.. that won't work! Most obed trials are held in conjunction with conformation shows.. and mixed breeds can't go there...
So how is this NOT a slap in the face?
interesting that the link worked yesterday and does not now...
So one of the goals is to make mixed breed owners to 'see the light' and realize that their mixed breed is inferior.
And for the money grabbing... It costs 75% more to register your mixed breed dog than registering your puppy with the AKC. Hmm that sounds great...
The thing is that they are throwing out their mandate.. which is to promote and protect the purebred dog just on the hopes of grabbing a little more money from mixed breed owners. The thing is even in all breed agility mixed breeds make up less than a 5th (in some cases WAY less) of the over all entries. You are not talking huge increases.
Ok so then take obedience. It could be a good thing as there is little to no other options for your mixed breed to do obedience. But wait.. that won't work! Most obed trials are held in conjunction with conformation shows.. and mixed breeds can't go there...
So how is this NOT a slap in the face?
Plus, a good point that was brought up today at the trial I was at. What if your "mixed breed" isn't a mixed breed at all, but instead is a very nice show/working dog of a non-AKC breed. Still can't compete it at the AKC shows, because you would have to s/n to do so. So you've knocked that segment of the dog world out of your money-making scheme. In fact, it makes me wonder if you can register a purebred of a non-AKC breed at all? I mean, I guess you could just lie and say it's a mixed breed, but is that going against the purpose of the rule.
Honestly, I've talked to a lot of agility people in the last week between classes, run-thrus, and the trial, and I have yet to hear one say "Great job, AKC!" no matter if they are pro-AKC/purebreds or mutt fans. This isn't just a case of not being able to please everyone - they appear to not be pleasing ANYONE.
Honestly, I've talked to a lot of agility people in the last week between classes, run-thrus, and the trial, and I have yet to hear one say "Great job, AKC!" no matter if they are pro-AKC/purebreds or mutt fans. This isn't just a case of not being able to please everyone - they appear to not be pleasing ANYONE.
Dekka and I had been wondering that. Even if your purebred non recognized breed is s/n already by choice, do you want to have to enter it as a mix (if it's allowable). Some of the ribbons offered at trials may differentiate for 'mixed breed classes'. Some of the people on agilitydogs-l have suggested that the AKC should have made the new group of dogs 'other' to include s/n dogs that aren't mixes who might want to play.. doesn't solve the issue of breeding stock of unrecognized breeds, but it would make their market slightly wider.
I have not read the PDF (don't have time,at this point), but if the dogs are running the same courses but separated by 'purebred vs mixes', the proof will be in the YPS (yards per second) course times for each height division.
I don't know if that is a valid point or not but if it is, then its something to consider.
I don't know if that is a valid point or not but if it is, then its something to consider.
Even if it is... so what? They can't go to nationals or any big shows. They still get ribbons, titles, etc that designate that they were 'mixed breeds'.
Even if you have the fastest dog in all the AKC if its not a pure bred it won't get to go to anything big. (and their MACH will have an "M" on the end so no one forgets it was done by a 'non purebred)
Even if you have the fastest dog in all the AKC if its not a pure bred it won't get to go to anything big. (and their MACH will have an "M" on the end so no one forgets it was done by a 'non purebred)
But why does the AKC have to be all things to all dog owners? I thought it was the most awesome thing ever for the AKC to not recognize a breed because EVERYONE knows that once that happens the entire breed becomes worthless and horrible, right? But now if they don't recognize breeds that have not lobbied for AKC recognition, their bad too?
Thats right, who cares. The AKC is for what they deem purebred dogs by their standards. And it is their right to show case and to restrict who competes where and to what level.
It's not like people with non AKC dogs don't have any other game to play and support.
I really don't understand why people are in such an up roar about this, its simple don't support them but at least it does allow people that may not have options close to them for trialing.
It's not like people with non AKC dogs don't have any other game to play and support.
I really don't understand why people are in such an up roar about this, its simple don't support them but at least it does allow people that may not have options close to them for trialing.
It doesn't. I personally think they should have stayed exactly as they were. For 200 years, their position has been to promote and support the purebred dog - why change now?
I know around here, there are a million other venues for agility competition, although I understand it may be different in other parts of the country. I could go do CPE, USDAA, or sometimes NADAC just about any weekend and never have to drive more than 3 hours.
Again, I just think all this half-way stuff is making AKC look bad.
I know around here, there are a million other venues for agility competition, although I understand it may be different in other parts of the country. I could go do CPE, USDAA, or sometimes NADAC just about any weekend and never have to drive more than 3 hours.
Again, I just think all this half-way stuff is making AKC look bad.
Yep it is their right.. And I really hate how all sorts of people (on other boards) are saying how we non KC people should be sooooo greatful 
I stated I would not show KC stuff and people were livid that I should not be so happy that the AKC (and hopefully other KC) were now allowing mixed breeds.
I personally don't see it as a good thing.. and hate being told mixed breed people should like it.
As I have said before.. I bet it dies out from lack of use/ lack of offering.
I stated I would not show KC stuff and people were livid that I should not be so happy that the AKC (and hopefully other KC) were now allowing mixed breeds.I personally don't see it as a good thing.. and hate being told mixed breed people should like it.
As I have said before.. I bet it dies out from lack of use/ lack of offering.
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Oh come on. Once you take a blow drier to a dog, you are certainly treading a very fine, frou frou line (What does a little dirt have to do with conformation anyway?)
Back to the issue at hand. No, I don't like it since it might negatively affect other sporting venues. I really do not like that mixes can not compete if there is a show going on. Or that your mix can wipe the floor with the purebreds, but still get a Mach-M, which is clearly designed to show that it is a lesser category, even if the competition is better.
Nor does it do much for the non- AKC sighthounds (particularly the American Staghound which could be a great lure courser) or mixed breed terriers.
But the reason I can't support it, is the required s/n. A high competing mix is just as worthy as any other high competing purebred to me (of course... is agility a reason to breed? that was another thread).
Or this:
Well, why not let them choose.
(What does a little dirt have to do with conformation anyway?) Back to the issue at hand. No, I don't like it since it might negatively affect other sporting venues. I really do not like that mixes can not compete if there is a show going on. Or that your mix can wipe the floor with the purebreds, but still get a Mach-M, which is clearly designed to show that it is a lesser category, even if the competition is better.
Nor does it do much for the non- AKC sighthounds (particularly the American Staghound which could be a great lure courser) or mixed breed terriers.
But the reason I can't support it, is the required s/n. A high competing mix is just as worthy as any other high competing purebred to me (of course... is agility a reason to breed? that was another thread).
Or this:
Well, why not let them choose.