A humane slaughter, define it.
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Its basicly the same here, and oh and just to add the chicken barns (at least where I live)
- Cleaned out completely
- Disinfected
- Washed down
- Very carefully the bedding and necessities are redone
On top of that everything is watched rediculasly closely, temp levels, air quality, etc. you can even pinpoint how a chicken died just by the way it fell, im not joking. Anyway I live in the near heart of ontario with alot of the farming industry, and I have seen alot of their methods, sometimes even had to do some, and from what I can tell, at least here anyway, they make things as humane as possible.
- Cleaned out completely
- Disinfected
- Washed down
- Very carefully the bedding and necessities are redone
On top of that everything is watched rediculasly closely, temp levels, air quality, etc. you can even pinpoint how a chicken died just by the way it fell, im not joking. Anyway I live in the near heart of ontario with alot of the farming industry, and I have seen alot of their methods, sometimes even had to do some, and from what I can tell, at least here anyway, they make things as humane as possible.
It is the same here CanadianK9 the chicken houses have to be completely hosed down to the concrete floors, scrubbed and disinfected. My aunt and uncle grow hatching chickens were they collect eggs instead of chickens and every 6 mos they have to take the chickens out and redo the whole house and they have 4 chicken houses to tend to. They gather eggs twice a day, thankfully they have automatic gathers so it only takes about an hour to do each house each time they go gather eggs. This time they have to put in all new water lines. I feel that it is a very sanitary and humanely run operation. Along with gathering eggs they also pick up dead chickens because if one chicken gets a cut and bleeds then the other chickens around it will peck it do death. I dont know why but that is chicken behavior for you.
Also even in the chicken houses it can only get so hot. They have large generators that kick on whenever there is a power failure that can run the chicken houses for up to 2 days. Also on top of having generators as a back up it also has an automated dialer that calls first my uncle on his home phone, then it calls his cell phone, if it doesnt get an answer on the cell phone it calls here then one of us has to go to the farm and see why is the power going off and if we need to flip the breaker or something else. We also have to do a walk-through and document it when we 'called'. It doesnt happen often that we are called out there since by the time it calls my uncles cell phone it gets an answer and they are already on their way to the chicken houses. If no one answers it continues to my grandmothers house then it starts back over until someone answers.
Also even in the chicken houses it can only get so hot. They have large generators that kick on whenever there is a power failure that can run the chicken houses for up to 2 days. Also on top of having generators as a back up it also has an automated dialer that calls first my uncle on his home phone, then it calls his cell phone, if it doesnt get an answer on the cell phone it calls here then one of us has to go to the farm and see why is the power going off and if we need to flip the breaker or something else. We also have to do a walk-through and document it when we 'called'. It doesnt happen often that we are called out there since by the time it calls my uncles cell phone it gets an answer and they are already on their way to the chicken houses. If no one answers it continues to my grandmothers house then it starts back over until someone answers.
It is done for the cattle. Not to that degree (cattle are a lot harder to move than chickens) but sanitation is the BIGGEST priority. What good is a sick cow? That's a loss of profit!
Excrement is not merely left in place til the pig leaves like someone suggested before. Most of the houses have slanted concrete to where the feces roll down into a slot which rolls down into a larger slot which is slanted yet again to roll down into a large collection tank. The 'slots' are more like canals than anything else because water is flushed down them every now and then to remove stray bits.
The main reservoir is sold as manure.
They don't sit around in their own filth. That's begging for all sorts of germs, flies, etc.
The houses are climate controlled as well. They have huge air conditioning units mounted on the walls.
This is why ya'll should go out and see one for ya'lls selves instead of just believing little pictures and clips on the internet.
Excrement is not merely left in place til the pig leaves like someone suggested before. Most of the houses have slanted concrete to where the feces roll down into a slot which rolls down into a larger slot which is slanted yet again to roll down into a large collection tank. The 'slots' are more like canals than anything else because water is flushed down them every now and then to remove stray bits.
The main reservoir is sold as manure.
They don't sit around in their own filth. That's begging for all sorts of germs, flies, etc.
The houses are climate controlled as well. They have huge air conditioning units mounted on the walls.
This is why ya'll should go out and see one for ya'lls selves instead of just believing little pictures and clips on the internet.
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I'd love to see you tell a slaughterhouse worker face to face that his/her job is easy and that they deserve low wages 
Umm...my point was that YOUR thread topic was pertaining to the slaughter of animals, and I believe that slaughterhouse workers are related to the topic. If the thread topic was about the horrible work conditions of random jobs then perhaps mentioning other hazardous occupations would have been relevant.
Umm...my point was that YOUR thread topic was pertaining to the slaughter of animals, and I believe that slaughterhouse workers are related to the topic. If the thread topic was about the horrible work conditions of random jobs then perhaps mentioning other hazardous occupations would have been relevant.
You brought up the hazards and thus comparisons became relevant.
And by that same token your point isn't relevant as well because this topic is about a humane death, not slaughter house workers.
But the topic strayed off that onto slaughter houses, thus where you brought up workers because its' relevant to slaughter houses. Kind of like me bringing up other dangerous occupations because it's relevant to the slaughter house dangers? Oh, wow. Imagine that.
Oh and by 'hard job' I meant you didn't have to be very educated to do it. Not calling them stupid, but pretty much anyone could do the job. Most of the heavy lifting is done by machines.
Thus, low wages.
And by that same token your point isn't relevant as well because this topic is about a humane death, not slaughter house workers.
But the topic strayed off that onto slaughter houses, thus where you brought up workers because its' relevant to slaughter houses. Kind of like me bringing up other dangerous occupations because it's relevant to the slaughter house dangers? Oh, wow. Imagine that.
Oh and by 'hard job' I meant you didn't have to be very educated to do it. Not calling them stupid, but pretty much anyone could do the job. Most of the heavy lifting is done by machines.
Thus, low wages.
You know, a lot of dairy farms work much the same way. The cattle stand in stocks in some places, feces are moved along a conveyor and kept in a "swamp" of sorts, pumped out once a year or so.... they don't STAND in it - even the pigs don't STAND in it if it falls through a grate (and thank goodness, pig excrement is the stinkiest that there is!), that is just ASKING for ecoli posioning on a MASS scale.
:hail: Agreed, being there and experiencing most of it I can say the following things for here anyway
- It is a tough job
- There is ALOT of work to do to keep your stock at its best which most farmers take pride in because their work is VERY hard worked for and underappreciated
- The conditions are (in most places) kept as best as possible to produce the best quality
- It is dirtier for the farmer than it is for the animals most of the time, if you are talking inhumane, you may wanna look at the workers point of view
- And first hand experience gives you a whole new respect for the stuff being done
The problem with the internet is people believe what they see/read from the cases of which are the "extremes" and mostly arent the case, most farmers take pride in their stock. Take a look or do something first hand then judge, not just from sitting at your computer.
- It is a tough job
- There is ALOT of work to do to keep your stock at its best which most farmers take pride in because their work is VERY hard worked for and underappreciated
- The conditions are (in most places) kept as best as possible to produce the best quality
- It is dirtier for the farmer than it is for the animals most of the time, if you are talking inhumane, you may wanna look at the workers point of view
- And first hand experience gives you a whole new respect for the stuff being done
The problem with the internet is people believe what they see/read from the cases of which are the "extremes" and mostly arent the case, most farmers take pride in their stock. Take a look or do something first hand then judge, not just from sitting at your computer.
FYI My opinions come from someone who lives in Alberta which is cattle country. I've worked on farms and you can't walk down the street without rubbing shoulders with a farmer. I know a lot of people including my boyfriend who have worked in slaughterhouses and they all say the same thing. And just because someone does research through books, interviews and the net doesn't mean they don't know what goes on. If that was true what would be the point of going to school or reading about history, arts or anything?
Slaughterhouses differ very much from **farms** (of which I was talking about maybe you didnt catch on)
I feel the way they are slaughtered here is quick, and effective. Very rarely do you have one that is not killed right away here, maybe it is different where you are, I cant say, I have never worked on an albertan facility, but here its done as best and as quickly as possible, and if thats not good enough well then suggest them an even better more effective way.
I feel the way they are slaughtered here is quick, and effective. Very rarely do you have one that is not killed right away here, maybe it is different where you are, I cant say, I have never worked on an albertan facility, but here its done as best and as quickly as possible, and if thats not good enough well then suggest them an even better more effective way.
Saje: Perhaps it's done differently in Canada? I know there are inspectors that come in to inspect the areas around here.
Most of the time it's independent people who have large tracts of lands. A company like Tyson will contact them, offer them a cut of the profits reaped from their land. Then if the person accepts Tyson will pay for everything from there for the rent of the land and build the houses on the land with no cost to the owner.
The owner is then responsible for answering the calls (like described in the previous post) and the like. A lot of the houses practically run themselves with today's modern technology. It's crazy how sophisticated they are. All that the human labor really has to do is collect the egg baskets (if it's egg) or the chickens (if it's broiler).
I don't know Canada's rules and regulations but the ones in the US, or Texas at least, are extremely strict and you can gain a lot of money or lose a lot if you go into business like this.
You lose money by not adhering to their guidelines and keeping their property up to snuff.
Most of the time it's independent people who have large tracts of lands. A company like Tyson will contact them, offer them a cut of the profits reaped from their land. Then if the person accepts Tyson will pay for everything from there for the rent of the land and build the houses on the land with no cost to the owner.
The owner is then responsible for answering the calls (like described in the previous post) and the like. A lot of the houses practically run themselves with today's modern technology. It's crazy how sophisticated they are. All that the human labor really has to do is collect the egg baskets (if it's egg) or the chickens (if it's broiler).
I don't know Canada's rules and regulations but the ones in the US, or Texas at least, are extremely strict and you can gain a lot of money or lose a lot if you go into business like this.
You lose money by not adhering to their guidelines and keeping their property up to snuff.
Well then maybe you should address them there and have something changed.
I dont know what its like there, it maybe be very different where you are, but from what i have seen here, because there is ALOT of competition, you want to raise the best product because, you want to to be the forerunner, and along with that best product the conditions must be prime to produce it.
The slaughterhouses do the best they can, and of course nothing is perfect. But sitting here on the internet isnt going to change that, go outand make a difference if you dissagree with the way its done where you are.
I dont know what its like there, it maybe be very different where you are, but from what i have seen here, because there is ALOT of competition, you want to raise the best product because, you want to to be the forerunner, and along with that best product the conditions must be prime to produce it.
The slaughterhouses do the best they can, and of course nothing is perfect. But sitting here on the internet isnt going to change that, go outand make a difference if you dissagree with the way its done where you are.
Do you all know about the whole Kentucky Fried Chicken controversy? I remember when they stated they had to change the name of their franchise. They were to take the word chicken out of the name due to the fact that investigations were done and they concluded the chickens to not really be chickens. They are supposedly genetically inhanced, they are born with little or no beak, and not very good talons. They basically are said to be big round balls of feathers. They are also said to be injected with some inhancer that causes them to over grow. I'll try to find some articles, it was a while back, but that's what I call cruelty.