A humane slaughter, define it.
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i disagree with the fact that it doesn't always work the first time. i saw someone trying to slaughter their own pigs just with a hand held bolt gun and he didn't do it right on one pig, he just broke her jaw and stuck a bolt in her head and she ran screaming around the pen.
the thing that really gets me is the ENTIRE industry. the factory farms, the cramped travelling conditions to the slaughterhouse particularily effect me because not all truck drivers actually care about their load, their just doing their job. i don't like that asutralia sends our cattle that have been weel raised on huge blocks, then if their lucky enough to have a decent driuver and manage to not fall down on the trip up north. then the cattle gets loaded on ships and sent to asia. in asian the cattle are slaughter inhumanley.
i believe we shouold do our best to slaughter them humanley here, then send the packaged meat over seas. because so many cattle die on the way over on the boats. its just really a yuck industry. thats what i hate.
the thing that really gets me is the ENTIRE industry. the factory farms, the cramped travelling conditions to the slaughterhouse particularily effect me because not all truck drivers actually care about their load, their just doing their job. i don't like that asutralia sends our cattle that have been weel raised on huge blocks, then if their lucky enough to have a decent driuver and manage to not fall down on the trip up north. then the cattle gets loaded on ships and sent to asia. in asian the cattle are slaughter inhumanley.
i believe we shouold do our best to slaughter them humanley here, then send the packaged meat over seas. because so many cattle die on the way over on the boats. its just really a yuck industry. thats what i hate.
How old ARE you anyhow?
You implied that no person who ever "really" loved an animal could do a job like hauling animals to slaughter. How jaded ARE you? What kind of a world do YOU live in? People have to do jobs they don't like so that they can feed their families and pay their bills sometimes. I found your comment highly offensive, and darn right I'm mad. I find you exceptionally disrespectful and when someone gets upset (rightly) you laugh it off and laugh at them. Grow up already, welcome to the real world where your actions have consequences and you can't write it all off as "well I have my opinion and you have yours". I find it highly offensive that you insulted my father, who has spent his entire life in servitude and devotion to animals - working crap jobs so he can keep his own animals, working for LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE to perfect his breeding lines of sheep and horses.
*sigh* GlassOnion, you and I will have to make a "real world" camp, lol, and that's where we can dwell. RESEARCH and INTERNET PROPAGANDA does not make someone an expert on things - personal experience DOES.
mrose -- the cattle don't fall down - they are packed into those trailers like that for a reason - no injuries, no tumbling. Sometimes truck drivers are not animal people at all, and IMHO that's much worse than a person who "really does not" love animals but has had them their entire lives.
Don't care how much you folks laugh that I am upset. Someday y'all will all learn what the real world is like, with work and unpleasant things, and livelihoods. And THEN maybe we can talk and see eye to eye.
M
I personally don't think that the words 'humane' and 'slaughter' should even be near each other---just my opinion, and I think that's all that I'll say about it here.
On another topic though it is related, but pertains more to the slaughterhouse workers---I don't know if many people are aware that slaughtering/meatpacking is considered to be the most dangerous (and lowest paid) factory job in the US. Their poor, and dangerous work conditions and low wages certainly can't be considered to be very humane either.
It's been 100 years since Upton Sinclair's novel 'The Jungle' caused quite a controversial outrage, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem that some things have improved after a hundred years (some things have actually gotten worse, IMO). For anyone who may not be familiar, you can google and find plenty to read, or here's a fairly short article that summarizes some of what Sinclair discovered: http://mesh.medill.northwestern.edu/mnschicago/archives/2006/02/jungle_upton_si.html
Also, to those of you who may have previously viewed a clip that I'd mentioned in a previous post ('The Meatrix'), there has been a recent release of another clip called 'The Meatrix II 1/2'. It's animated, so there's no actual gruesome footage, and though it does not show the slaughtering or how it's done, it shows a glimpse of the inside of a meatpacking plant and offers some interesting information that I think people ought to think about. Here's the link: http://www.moremeatrix.com/index.html (you can also view the previous two Meatrix clips--each one is less than 4 minutes, and there's no hard core gore---matter of fact, there is actually some humor throughout each of them).
One last thing, there's a movie that will be out on November 17th called 'Fast Food Nation'
http://www2.foxsearchlight.com/fastfoodnation/dev_index.php ....should be interesting....
On another topic though it is related, but pertains more to the slaughterhouse workers---I don't know if many people are aware that slaughtering/meatpacking is considered to be the most dangerous (and lowest paid) factory job in the US. Their poor, and dangerous work conditions and low wages certainly can't be considered to be very humane either.
It's been 100 years since Upton Sinclair's novel 'The Jungle' caused quite a controversial outrage, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem that some things have improved after a hundred years (some things have actually gotten worse, IMO). For anyone who may not be familiar, you can google and find plenty to read, or here's a fairly short article that summarizes some of what Sinclair discovered: http://mesh.medill.northwestern.edu/mnschicago/archives/2006/02/jungle_upton_si.html
Also, to those of you who may have previously viewed a clip that I'd mentioned in a previous post ('The Meatrix'), there has been a recent release of another clip called 'The Meatrix II 1/2'. It's animated, so there's no actual gruesome footage, and though it does not show the slaughtering or how it's done, it shows a glimpse of the inside of a meatpacking plant and offers some interesting information that I think people ought to think about. Here's the link: http://www.moremeatrix.com/index.html (you can also view the previous two Meatrix clips--each one is less than 4 minutes, and there's no hard core gore---matter of fact, there is actually some humor throughout each of them).
One last thing, there's a movie that will be out on November 17th called 'Fast Food Nation'
http://www2.foxsearchlight.com/fastfoodnation/dev_index.php ....should be interesting....
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you know how much it costs to go on a boar hunt? $350+ and thats not including gas, ammo, place to stay, food to eat, tips to the guide, trophy boar fee's.
Hunting on public land? yea right! with all the laws out there you'd be a lucky fellow to get a pig. plus, wild boars taste disgusting. They're a bit too gamey for my taste.
You cant shoot cows, they're domesticated animals. If i could go hunt a cow BELIEVE me, i would. And they would be extinct. They're the easiest targets!
Deer? Again, not a great tasting piece of meat. Plus, i'd rather shoot a deer with a camera than with my rifle.
I believe hunting is far more painful compared to a rod through the neck
I've shot jack rabbits with a .223 round (same rifle and same round they're using in iraq right now). And the jack rabbit wouldnt stop bouncing around trying to get away until i placed a round in it with my handgun.
When i was in culinary school one of the instructors owned a farm and brought in a organic pig of his. They shot it with a .22 round straight through the front of the forehead before bringing it in cleaned out.
If you ask me the best way is chopping it's head off really quick. But it gets blood everywhere and too time consuming. Businesses arent out to use methods that are "ethical" they're out to use methods that are quick and cost effective.
Also, if you kill and pack the animal here and send it over sea's... by the time it gets there and gets placed on the shelves the meat has gone bad already. Plus the price of the meat will double. No body wants meat that has been frozen before.
On a side note, the place i used to work at had australian kobe beef. I'm not sure if it was killed here or over sea's and frozen... but man that was the best piece of beef i've ever had in my whole life. $135 dollar piece of meat for free.
How old ARE you anyhow?
You implied that no person who ever "really" loved an animal could do a job like hauling animals to slaughter. How jaded ARE you? What kind of a world do YOU live in? People have to do jobs they don't like so that they can feed their families and pay their bills sometimes. I found your comment highly offensive, and darn right I'm mad. I find you exceptionally disrespectful and when someone gets upset (rightly) you laugh it off and laugh at them. Grow up already, welcome to the real world where your actions have consequences and you can't write it all off as "well I have my opinion and you have yours". I find it highly offensive that you insulted my father, who has spent his entire life in servitude and devotion to animals - working crap jobs so he can keep his own animals, working for LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE to perfect his breeding lines of sheep and horses.
*sigh* GlassOnion, you and I will have to make a "real world" camp, lol, and that's where we can dwell. RESEARCH and INTERNET PROPAGANDA does not make someone an expert on things - personal experience DOES.
mrose -- the cattle don't fall down - they are packed into those trailers like that for a reason - no injuries, no tumbling. Sometimes truck drivers are not animal people at all, and IMHO that's much worse than a person who "really does not" love animals but has had them their entire lives.
Don't care how much you folks laugh that I am upset. Someday y'all will all learn what the real world is like, with work and unpleasant things, and livelihoods. And THEN maybe we can talk and see eye to eye.
You implied that no person who ever "really" loved an animal could do a job like hauling animals to slaughter. How jaded ARE you? What kind of a world do YOU live in? People have to do jobs they don't like so that they can feed their families and pay their bills sometimes. I found your comment highly offensive, and darn right I'm mad. I find you exceptionally disrespectful and when someone gets upset (rightly) you laugh it off and laugh at them. Grow up already, welcome to the real world where your actions have consequences and you can't write it all off as "well I have my opinion and you have yours". I find it highly offensive that you insulted my father, who has spent his entire life in servitude and devotion to animals - working crap jobs so he can keep his own animals, working for LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE to perfect his breeding lines of sheep and horses.
*sigh* GlassOnion, you and I will have to make a "real world" camp, lol, and that's where we can dwell. RESEARCH and INTERNET PROPAGANDA does not make someone an expert on things - personal experience DOES.
mrose -- the cattle don't fall down - they are packed into those trailers like that for a reason - no injuries, no tumbling. Sometimes truck drivers are not animal people at all, and IMHO that's much worse than a person who "really does not" love animals but has had them their entire lives.
Don't care how much you folks laugh that I am upset. Someday y'all will all learn what the real world is like, with work and unpleasant things, and livelihoods. And THEN maybe we can talk and see eye to eye.
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The problem is you are making blanket statements. They can be very insulting.
Basically you are saying that anyone involved in transporting animals to slaughter are not animal lovers. That's a VERY big generalization.
Most people working in slaughter houses and transporting animals aren't doing it for the fun of it. THey need a job to feed their families. I pray that nobody in your family has to take a job just because of the necessity of it. It happens to a lot of people. You get whatever job you can to support your family. Some of these people can't afford to get fired from their job. These people aren't heartless, they are doing what they can to take care of their families. You want to blame someone, blame the companies. They lay down the policies that the workers have to follow.
Basically you are saying that anyone involved in transporting animals to slaughter are not animal lovers. That's a VERY big generalization.
Most people working in slaughter houses and transporting animals aren't doing it for the fun of it. THey need a job to feed their families. I pray that nobody in your family has to take a job just because of the necessity of it. It happens to a lot of people. You get whatever job you can to support your family. Some of these people can't afford to get fired from their job. These people aren't heartless, they are doing what they can to take care of their families. You want to blame someone, blame the companies. They lay down the policies that the workers have to follow.
Yea, i've noticed that and I made sure to state that it was'nt directed to you, too afraid to kill someones heart now. I plan on not putting my two cents in from now on. Too many people take everything personal. And yea, I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but one time or another when you open your mouth, someone is going to get upset no matter what you say. That's the beauty of having an open mind, freedom of speech, and your own mind that gives off your own opinions. How boring would this life be if it were black and white and we all thought the same? hehe...
i can't imagine doing that job. But i can attest to the man that i know that did this job was one of the sweetest dog lovers i have ever met. He was a young man desperate for work at the time and it sickened him to the core. HE wouldn't talk about it, the only reason the topic came up is he had a skull hanging on the wall and i asked about the hole in it. That was when he explained how that mechanism doesn't always work the way it is suppose to and and when it doesn't the result is very bad.
i was applying to a kennel job at a univeristy once. I didn't realize it was research (don't know where my head was) until i sat down with the interviewer and the position was explained to me. I think i was 17 or 18 at the time. I got up and said "i was sorry but there was no way i could take this job". No way at all. My ex did that job once and he often would want to discuss what happened there. It made him angry with me when i said "don't you dare for if you do there will be no way i could not hold it against you". I knew what i said was true in my heart but he never understood.
i was applying to a kennel job at a univeristy once. I didn't realize it was research (don't know where my head was) until i sat down with the interviewer and the position was explained to me. I think i was 17 or 18 at the time. I got up and said "i was sorry but there was no way i could take this job". No way at all. My ex did that job once and he often would want to discuss what happened there. It made him angry with me when i said "don't you dare for if you do there will be no way i could not hold it against you". I knew what i said was true in my heart but he never understood.
Wow...just wow.
You're using the Meatrix to back up your argument?
(puts head in hands) Where did common sense go?
I just...I don't know where to start, to be honest. Why would they evne have conveyor belts over the racking lines, which they don't, by the way. That's just stupid. The intestines are completely removed during slaughter, so there's no 'drippage'.
Short of a sadistic Saturday morning cartoon, that was about as useful as my copy of the National Enquirer.
You're using the Jungle? Fine, good book. But things have improved a LOT since then.
Injuries? Hell yah they happen! They happen everywhere in every job.
One time, my veterinarian slipped on a puddle of water on the floor. OBVIOUSLY the vets office working environment is way too dangerous and should be shut down.
Jesus christ on a crutch...
You're using the Meatrix to back up your argument?
(puts head in hands) Where did common sense go?
I just...I don't know where to start, to be honest. Why would they evne have conveyor belts over the racking lines, which they don't, by the way. That's just stupid. The intestines are completely removed during slaughter, so there's no 'drippage'.
Short of a sadistic Saturday morning cartoon, that was about as useful as my copy of the National Enquirer.
You're using the Jungle? Fine, good book. But things have improved a LOT since then.
Injuries? Hell yah they happen! They happen everywhere in every job.
One time, my veterinarian slipped on a puddle of water on the floor. OBVIOUSLY the vets office working environment is way too dangerous and should be shut down.
Jesus christ on a crutch...