A humane slaughter, define it.

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mrose -- the cattle don't fall down - they are packed into those trailers like that for a reason - no injuries, no tumbling. Sometimes truck drivers are not animal people at all, and IMHO that's much worse than a person who "really does not" love animals but has had them their entire lives.
muggies mum -- i know how they are "packed" i know there are 11 in each compatment and 4 of these on each level. i also know the cattle CAN slip and fall. i know their feet CAN fall out the sides. i've heard soem horror stories about drivers i know personally. but my mum won't tell me who os that i don't end up hating them/

Also mrose - men don't walk into pens with bolt guns to kill cattle or pigs, they load into chutes and are immobilized so that the odds of "missing" are diminished by several percents.
i also know this. but i have SEEN people do it themselves. i have watched movies of people just walking around shooting their animals. you may love to believe that all these animals are alughteerd humanley but you must undertsand that not averytone actually cares that their animals are killed humanley
 

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If done properly the seals die after that one blow.. so yes I do think it's humane.. I personally would not be able to club anything.. but if the animal dies with the first blow it is not suffering.. and in that case I think it is humane.. just because something is messy does not necessarily mean it is inhumane.. just because there is less blood it does not mean it is humane.. strangling something would be much less messy.. easier on the eyes.. but more humane? I don't think so..
I'm not saying whether or not I agree with the seal hunt.. I have a hard time deciding that for myself.. but with regards to the way they are killed? If there is some way to regulate that it is done properly and the seals don't suffer.. I don't see a problem with it at all..
i reall am against the seal hunt. i would love to go to canada and knock down as many od those people as i can. even if they do it humanley to SOME of that infant seals. then what abotu the ones that don't die after one blow?
saying its ok to kill these infant seals just supports the fact that ever year over 350, 000 babies are ripped from the world, their life is taken away... for what? so we can skin them and send the fur to designers who turn it into a sick substitute for wool or cotton?

a lot of the babies bodies are then thrown into the water, they arn't always used for meat.
these are BABIES, its sick, they don't even have a chance.
 

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I've tried to stay out of this thread, but I couldn't help it.

Commercial ranching....some say it's horrible.

But how else do you propose feeding 6.5+ billion human beings? We are clustered in cities, not spread out evenly across the globe. Let's face it: nature does not provide the kind of concentrated food resources to feed so many people. We have to provide it ourselves. If we don't grow our own meat, we'll starve. Recent studies have shown that we're already to the point that we'll collapse the ocean's food resources in less than 50 years. The ocean!

Could we all go vegetarian? Yeah, probably. But it actually takes less resources to produce meat than it does vegetables. It takes a year and a ton of water and sunshine to produce one yield of grain. Provided you don't get hit by hailstorms, bad weather, insects, etc. You can grow a chicken in 6 weeks. And chickens can eat things that are unplatable to humans.

And another thing-a cow can basically live anywhere. All it needs is graze, water and maybe shelter. But veggies are completely different. They require specific temperatures, water levels...heck, even soil chemistry. In the area of Texas where I live, there is a reason that it's primarily ranching. Veggies don't grow well here. Period. I don't care how much you irrigate. The selection at our farmer's market is rather embarassing compared to the vast amounts of variety available elsewhere. But we do have plenty of grass and open grazing, so ranching flourishes. Animals can use food that people cannot eat (grass), and turn it into a benefical food source that we can eat (meat).

Humanity is eventually going to get to the point where we need to make use of every available agriculture space just to feed ourselves. An all-veggie diet is extremely limiting.

Isn't scary to think that the human race may eventually starve itself to death through overpopulation? *shudders*
 

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I've tried to stay out of this thread, but I couldn't help it.

Commercial ranching....some say it's horrible.

But how else do you propose feeding 6.5+ billion human beings? We are clustered in cities, not spread out evenly across the globe. Let's face it: nature does not provide the kind of concentrated food resources to feed so many people. We have to provide it ourselves. If we don't grow our own meat, we'll starve. Recent studies have shown that we're already to the point that we'll collapse the ocean's food resources in less than 50 years. The ocean!

Could we all go vegetarian? Yeah, probably. But it actually takes less resources to produce meat than it does vegetables. It takes a year and a ton of water and sunshine to produce one yield of grain. Provided you don't get hit by hailstorms, bad weather, insects, etc. You can grow a chicken in 6 weeks. And chickens can eat things that are unplatable to humans.

And another thing-a cow can basically live anywhere. All it needs is graze, water and maybe shelter. But veggies are completely different. They require specific temperatures, water levels...heck, even soil chemistry. In the area of Texas where I live, there is a reason that it's primarily ranching. Veggies don't grow well here. Period. I don't care how much you irrigate. The selection at our farmer's market is rather embarassing compared to the vast amounts of variety available elsewhere. But we do have plenty of grass and open grazing, so ranching flourishes. Animals can use food that people cannot eat (grass), and turn it into a benefical food source that we can eat (meat).

Humanity is eventually going to get to the point where we need to make use of every available agriculture space just to feed ourselves. An all-veggie diet is extremely limiting.

Isn't scary to think that the human race may eventually starve itself to death through overpopulation? *shudders*

mmm. i know. but i really don't think jut because we have let ourselves over run the earth that we should put another species through this pain and suffering. i don't think it should all be about us. its pretty yuck really
 

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so mrose_s, you expect me to go without my daily baby seal burger because you don't like the way they're killed? if you can give me something that tastes just as good as a baby seal burger, then i'd think about giving it up, but not just because you found out that meat is harvested by butchering live animals.

we used to beat our rabbits on the head with a steel pipe (not just for fun, we ate them afterwards), that was filled with concrete so it would be really heavy, even then it takes some skill to kill something without it suffering too much. i remember my step-dad's first try, it was a really sloppy job. i'll spare you the details. maybe we can hang out with the baby seal killers and check out how it's done the right way.
 

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Well stated Gempress!!!


I've tried to stay out of this thread, but I couldn't help it.

Commercial ranching....some say it's horrible.

But how else do you propose feeding 6.5+ billion human beings? We are clustered in cities, not spread out evenly across the globe. Let's face it: nature does not provide the kind of concentrated food resources to feed so many people. We have to provide it ourselves. If we don't grow our own meat, we'll starve. Recent studies have shown that we're already to the point that we'll collapse the ocean's food resources in less than 50 years. The ocean!

Could we all go vegetarian? Yeah, probably. But it actually takes less resources to produce meat than it does vegetables. It takes a year and a ton of water and sunshine to produce one yield of grain. Provided you don't get hit by hailstorms, bad weather, insects, etc. You can grow a chicken in 6 weeks. And chickens can eat things that are unplatable to humans.

And another thing-a cow can basically live anywhere. All it needs is graze, water and maybe shelter. But veggies are completely different. They require specific temperatures, water levels...heck, even soil chemistry. In the area of Texas where I live, there is a reason that it's primarily ranching. Veggies don't grow well here. Period. I don't care how much you irrigate. The selection at our farmer's market is rather embarassing compared to the vast amounts of variety available elsewhere. But we do have plenty of grass and open grazing, so ranching flourishes. Animals can use food that people cannot eat (grass), and turn it into a benefical food source that we can eat (meat).

Humanity is eventually going to get to the point where we need to make use of every available agriculture space just to feed ourselves. An all-veggie diet is extremely limiting.

Isn't scary to think that the human race may eventually starve itself to death through overpopulation? *shudders*
 

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So you're proposing a culling of the population, then?

Which country should we start with? Germany? Spain? Afghanistan? Russia?
 

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make more people actully have to take resposibility for themselves and their kids and we would have a smaller population. lol
or make them grow or raise some of their own food.lol
 

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so mrose_s, you expect me to go without my daily baby seal burger because you don't like the way they're killed? if you can give me something that tastes just as good as a baby seal burger, then i'd think about giving it up, but not just because you found out that meat is harvested by butchering live animals.

we used to beat our rabbits on the head with a steel pipe (not just for fun, we ate them afterwards), that was filled with concrete so it would be really heavy, even then it takes some skill to kill something without it suffering too much. i remember my step-dad's first try, it was a really sloppy job. i'll spare you the details. maybe we can hang out with the baby seal killers and check out how it's done the right way.
i don't mind that you kill your rabbits for food. YOUR killing it, YOUR eating it. your not mass murdering something to HOPE it gets sold... you knnow how much meat is wasted? erghh...

i like the taste of steak, bacon, sausages, chicken, pork, mince and chops. but i don't eat them. i was sick of contributing... they're is some things in this world that are just wrong. if people came into your house where you had your infant baby and hit it over the head because they're are too many people and we need the feed the ones that are here, would that be wrong? if so, why isn't there anything wrong with doing it to seals?
because they can't speak the language they don't get a fair deal?
 

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i don't mind that you kill your rabbits for food. YOUR killing it, YOUR eating it. your not mass murdering something to HOPE it gets sold... you knnow how much meat is wasted? erghh...

i like the taste of steak, bacon, sausages, chicken, pork, mince and chops. but i don't eat them. i was sick of contributing... they're is some things in this world that are just wrong. if people came into your house where you had your infant baby and hit it over the head because they're are too many people and we need the feed the ones that are here, would that be wrong? if so, why isn't there anything wrong with doing it to seals?
because they can't speak the language they don't get a fair deal?
i see your point, but it's not because they can't speak the language, it's because they are not human. animals do not, and should not, have the same rights as humans do.
 

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well they don't, and they won't. you mention "hate" alot in your posts, you should try and not hate so much, it takes alot of energy and doesn't do you any good.

:D
 

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