A good way to handle an exceptionally mouthy dog?

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I was at FOHA today, and another volunteer and I let a husky/shepherd mix named Leanne play with an airedale terrier mix named Airey. Leanne has a very bad mouthing problem with people, she has no self-control. She would probably tick off some other dogs too, as she was obcessed with biting Airey's tail as they streaked about the play area (he's kinda puppyish himself, so he didn't really care.)

Leanne then turned her mouthyness to the other volunteer and I and grabbed a hold of my pant leg and ripped my jeans all the way up the seam! I thought that burning some energy off with Airey would help, but she started mouthing AFTER running with Airey at top speed around the play area.

I was wondering, what might be a good way to handle a dog who WON'T stop? I think Leanne is about 2 years old now. She is good on the leash, but when you take her in the play area, she just revvs way up! I'd also like to know if there is a good way to get a dog to STOP if I get caught in the play area with a new dog who exhibits wild & crazy mouthing behavior.

ETA: We were able to get Leanne to stop mouthing only when I grabbed her around the neck and the other volunteer threw a slip-lead over her and held her out so that Leanne couldn't mouth.
 

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I know there are many different opinions on the topic but this is what has and has not helped me in my experince.

While with some dogs a yelp sound seems to at best startle/ distract the dog from it's self rewarding mouthing I have also seen it only intensify the mouthing and at best does little to nothing to help the problem.

Duke was a very mouthy puppy and used to latch onto my pant leg anytime I got up to walk around the house. I found yelping only intisified his "game" so for this reason I don't generally tend to recomend yelping- but it's certainly worth a try once to see the reaction.

Ceasing all of the fun/ attention is of course a tried and true method IMO but it also is very time consuming for some dog's in a shelter environment especially I would still advise it for when nips do occur but I think It should be used in combination with other active training to eliminate the problem rather then used solely.

What I have recently tried out with a lot of success is shaping the dog to keep his mouth off humans. The first time I tried this method out was 8 weeks ago with a client who ownes an exceptionally mouthy 9 week old Bichon. The first night of class we spent almost entirely on just shaping the puppy to keep his mouth off the adults when they presented their hands in front of him. When we played the don't bite me game last week I had the owners two daughters running around making funny noises and waving their hands in the puppy's face and he did not once nip- a HUGE improvement for this little puppy.

With the shaping process it is important to remember to charge the clicker ( or whatever conditioned reinforcer you would like to use: Whistle, verbal "Yes", etc) before hand by clicking (or blowing the whistle, saying yes) and then delivering a reinforcer ( game of tug, yummy food treat, play time with a best dog buddy).

Keeping in mind that excitement/ arousal usually begins the nipping/mouthing process for the dog I start this game, that my client's children named, " The Don't Bite Me Game" at a very low arousal level- where the dog is barely interested in what is going on before I gradually work the dog through different arousal levels.

HOW TO PLAY THE DON'T BITE ME GAME

The end goal of the game is to have put alot of reinforcement history into keeping teeth off humans even under high arousal.

Exercise before hand is HIGHLY recomended.

I am clicking for the dog keeping his mouth off me.

Typically I would follow this progression chart- always keeping my sessions short, my rate of reinforcement high and moving the dog through the arousal levels when he has had 80% success ( as per Bob Bailey's rule) at whichever level I was working at.

Present hand in front of dog- Click/ Reward for keeping mouth off me
Present foot in front of dog- Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Wiggle hand in front of dog-Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Wiggle foot in front of dog-Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Wiggle hands in front of dog- Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Wiggle feet in front of dog- Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me

Walk around dog- Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Walk and clap around dog-Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Jog around dog-Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me
Jog around dog and clap- Click/Reward for keeping mouth off me

Slap arms on ground- Click/ Reward for keeping mouth off me
Play bow and slap arms on ground-Click/ Reward for keeping mouth off me

Up until this point I have the dog teethered on a 6' line to a stationary object. Because mouthing is a self reinforcing behaviour ( it feels good to the dog) if the dog I am working with should fail my current criteria I want to be able to simply get up and end the fun without worrying about a dog being attached to my leg the whole time I am walking away.

If this happens I wait 30 seconds and return I will try at the same criteria level- but if the dog fails three times in a row I will end the session and next time start on a lower arousal threashold.

After each of the criteria has been worked through we take the leash off and go back to a low arousal level and work our way back through, the kids helped me brain storm alot of different proofs so really get creative with it- after all training should be fun.

I advise clients to not try and train this when a dog is in a mouthing rampage-in my opinion that is the time for management and exercise- an appropriate area with plenty of chew toys or if possible a long walk/ jog- when a dog is over-aroused the learning process can be affected.

I just want to add I never physically or verbally punish a puppy for a wrong choice- a dog who fails is a great chance to evaluate your progress- and it is a great way for your dog to learn what works and what doesn't. I do however use negative punishment ( taking away something desired: I.e attention)

This is the rare time in shaping I employ negative punishment ( taking something desirable away) as I do believe with self rewarding behaviours simply not clicking does not prevent access to reinforcers.

Anyhow that has worked so far very well for my client's, feel free to Pm me if you have any questions about any aspect of the shaping process for the game.

Kayla
 

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Thank you very much Kayla for this advice. The only trouble with working with shelter dogs is that they are already aroused by getting out of the run for a walk. I may have to get creative and modify stuff a bit.

I have one question though, do you know a good way to pry a 65lb husky mix off your pants? :p
 

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For sure it is just one recipe for the basic idea of shaping a dog to not put it's mouth on you. I didn't mean to make it sound like the dog needed to be hiked 3 hours prior to training just that the less excessive pent up energy you are dealing with the better. I understand completely that your unique environment makes it harder to ensure these things before training so certainly do not think you cannot use the game because of this.

Like you mentioned you will probably always be dealing with at least some arousal and excitement simply because the dog is excited to see you, interact with you etc.

I do want to mention for this training you can do it when the dog is in his kennel- that would avoid the needing to pry the 65lb dog off your leg. Also and I know shelters have very limited funds so Im not sure if this is an option- but a head halter is not a bad idea to ensure this dog does not get a chance to rehearse any inapproptriate nipping. My preference for a head halter is especially strong for a situation like this as you have complete control over the animals head.

As always it should be supervision only- and you do need to invest a one-two week period to get the dog used to it ( I know noone wants to do this but it makes it alot easier for you and the dog)

I usually start by making the head halter a conditioned reinforcer initially- hold up the head halter- in goes a bit of the dog's breakfast. I start just with that for 2-3 days. The shape the dog to put his nose through the hoop (you could use luring as well) but I never buckle it up at this point. Then after 2-3 days of having the dog put his nose through the hoop I buckle it up. Try putting it on just to feed the dog ( again I know this is really hard because of your circumstances)

Either way if you did somehow manage to have the time to desensitise the dog to the head halter- it would certainly be a great training tool. I emphasis tool as it certainly should be the goal to get it off as soon as new manners have been taught.

Bitter apple spray would be perhaps something to try for the pant leg nipping but it does seem hit or miss with some dogs ( perhaps a local pet store will donate you a bottle?).
 

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From what I read she is just play biting right or i could be wrong my husky's can really get going they actually have grabbed onto clothing and growl as they tug. Siberians are a very growly dog when they play so maybe she just doesent know when enough is enough and to calm down its not like shes in a home and can be put in a time out. This is a rescue facility right she probably has lots of pent up energy and is displaying it in the only way she knows, she needs to be redirected totally ignored for the bad and lots of praise for the desired behaviors.Im betting since she only ripped your paints and didnt bite you that she was playing although I wasent there.
 

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From what I read she is just play biting right or i could be wrong my husky's can really get going they actually have grabbed onto clothing and growl as they tug. Siberians are a very growly dog when they play so maybe she just doesent know when enough is enough and to calm down its not like shes in a home and can be put in a time out. This is a rescue facility right she probably has lots of pent up energy and is displaying it in the only way she knows, she needs to be redirected totally ignored for the bad and lots of praise for the desired behaviors.Im betting since she only ripped your paints and didnt bite you that she was playing although I wasent there.
The bolded part is exactly it. She grabs on and tugs! Its all play, but she needs to be taught bite inhibition and that its inappropriate to play with humans in this fashion.
 

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I totally agree It took both my Sibes a while to know when enough is enough. There just so full of energy. And i do walk them every day but that doesent seem to tire them all the time.
 

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Shadow is a mix of Siberian Husky and Lab. And was mouthy. It's a breed trait of Sibes. They greet each other with jumping and mouthing. I used two things, -P and +R.

-P. When he would mouth, I would pull my hand inward and away from him and withdraw attention. When I could see that he backed up and sat, I returned attention. This is where a desired reward, attention, is witheld to diminish a behavior, such as mouthing.
 

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