8 month old aussie extremely OCD/ADD around other dogs when training, help

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I have an 8 month old male aussie. He's extremely smart and laid back around the house. He knows sit, down, shake, high five, roll over, play dead, stay, and is very obedient in our home. He sleeps more than we do if he could! I take him on walks every day and have been practicing frisbee with him (which he's getting very good at it!). Ive been socializing him as much as I can by taking him to Petco, Petsmart, local dog parks, etc. My problem is that when he goes to these places, he will lose 100 percent focus on me and turn it onto other dogs. He won't look at me once while the dog is around, even if i call his name, ask him to obey a command, even throw a frisbee or ball. He could care less about his frisbee (which he looooves) when another dog is around. When we are walking, he normally walks ok (we've been working on any pulling by stopping in our tracks and waiting until he looks back at us with slack in his leash); when he passes another dog, he pulls as hard as he can and starts this awfully annoying high pitched whine (a very frustrated whine). Ive been trying to squeel to get his attention, once he looks at me I tell him sit and stay. If he obeys i wait a few secs then tell him "ok" and we start to go to the other dog but this causes him to nearly pull my arm off as he begins to pull again. He has a very obsessive manner about him. I know he's a herding dog... but if he can act correctly in one setting, how can i make him have manners in a public setting? Its so very frustrating for me. The other day in Petco, as i was paying.. a dog walked by, my dog Boomer darted after him, pulling my arm causing me to fling my entire change purse! My money was everywhere! Is this because he's 8 months? Ive seen 8 month old dogs with better manners so this makes me think he can be trained. Ive tried treats... doesn't seem to work around other dogs so much. He also occasionaly attempts to mount (but this isnt very often). Ive seen neutered dogs do this pretty commonly. Im wondering if he's acting this way because of his horomones (going through puberty). I am not neutering him until he is around the age of 18 months (because of recent studies in dogs that develope joint/bone issues due to early neutering). When he gets to see the dogs, for the most part he just wants to sniff, play, slap at them, and chase them around. Any tips, dog training advice would be very appreciated. Thanks!
 

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LOL welcome to having an 8 month old Aussie. His brains are temporarily on vacation, but they will come back and it's vitally important that you are consistent (and insistent) with your training.

I would start by getting a friend to help you, one with a calm dog, and work on distance practice. Start as far away as you can get and walk towards the other dog, stopping when you think Boomer might even be beginning to shift his attention towards the other dog. Back up a few paces (or to where you have his attention back again) and ask for some behaviors, rewarding heavily. Does he like chicken? Liver? Get some sort of irresistible treat and work near mealtimes.

As you get more of Boomer's attention, you can start to advance slowly forward, it might even be as slow as a few steps, but don't go past the "threshold" of his attention on you.

There's more to this, but Doberluv is better at explaining it and I'm actually headed out the door.
 
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I couldn't resist.... :rofl1:

I have an 8 month old male aussie. He's extremely smart and laid back around the house. He knows sit, down, shake, high five, roll over, play dead, stay, and is very obedient in our home. He sleeps more than we do if he could! I take him on walks every day and have been practicing frisbee with him (which he's getting very good at it!).

Ive been socializing him as much as I can by taking him to Petco, Petsmart, local dog parks, etc. My problem is that when he goes to these places, he will lose 100 percent focus on me and turn it onto other dogs. He won't look at me once while the dog is around, even if i call his name, ask him to obey a command, even throw a frisbee or ball. He could care less about his frisbee (which he looooves) when another dog is around.

When we are walking, he normally walks ok (we've been working on any pulling by stopping in our tracks and waiting until he looks back at us with slack in his leash); when he passes another dog, he pulls as hard as he can and starts this awfully annoying high pitched whine (a very frustrated whine).

Ive been trying to squeel to get his attention, once he looks at me I tell him sit and stay. If he obeys i wait a few secs then tell him "ok" and we start to go to the other dog but this causes him to nearly pull my arm off as he begins to pull again. He has a very obsessive manner about him. I know he's a herding dog... but if he can act correctly in one setting, how can i make him have manners in a public setting? Its so very frustrating for me.

The other day in Petco, as i was paying.. a dog walked by, my dog Boomer darted after him, pulling my arm causing me to fling my entire change purse! My money was everywhere! Is this because he's 8 months? Ive seen 8 month old dogs with better manners so this makes me think he can be trained.

Ive tried treats... doesn't seem to work around other dogs so much. He also occasionaly attempts to mount (but this isnt very often). Ive seen neutered dogs do this pretty commonly. Im wondering if he's acting this way because of his horomones (going through puberty).

I am not neutering him until he is around the age of 18 months (because of recent studies in dogs that develope joint/bone issues due to early neutering). When he gets to see the dogs, for the most part he just wants to sniff, play, slap at them, and chase them around.

Any tips, dog training advice would be very appreciated. Thanks!
 

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LOL welcome to having an 8 month old Aussie. His brains are temporarily on vacation, but they will come back and it's vitally important that you are consistent (and insistent) with your training.

I would start by getting a friend to help you, one with a calm dog, and work on distance practice. Start as far away as you can get and walk towards the other dog, stopping when you think Boomer might even be beginning to shift his attention towards the other dog. Back up a few paces (or to where you have his attention back again) and ask for some behaviors, rewarding heavily. Does he like chicken? Liver? Get some sort of irresistible treat and work near mealtimes.

As you get more of Boomer's attention, you can start to advance slowly forward, it might even be as slow as a few steps, but don't go past the "threshold" of his attention on you.

There's more to this, but Doberluv is better at explaining it and I'm actually headed out the door.



Thank you for the info. I'll definately work on that. We moved states not long ago so making new friends with dogs will be my next priority, ha.

I'm wanting Boomer to do well with frisbee and even perform in front of others. So getting his focus switched over to me and the game at hand is a big challenge. I'm sure it takes time and patience.

Im soaking in all the info I get, so thanks for the help!
 

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Comon now

Alright guys, way to welcome a brand new member. I just signed up. I noticed after I posted this that it was squished together. I had posted that on three different sites so it was a copy/paste. I posted on three because I wanted to get a variety training ideas. Who really knows if the members of those sites will even respond? I didn't realize I was joining a grammar class. If you don't want to read it, then don't. Be nice please.

I appreciate zoom for actually taking the time to go through that mess and answer me with valuable advice. :)
 
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:rolleyes:

No one was being rude. Someone asked that you put it into paragraphs. I replied with it in paragraphs, for those who would actually like to be able to read it easier.

Cool your heels.
 

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It sounds like you're going way above & beyond Boomer's threshold... that is, the point at which he can learn and focus on you. This is a good explanation: ClickerSolutions Training Articles -- Behavior Thresholds

Zoom gave you good advice! :) Make sure that you go on as many outings as possible where there will be other dogs, but he will be training, not meeting them. He needs to know that there is a time and a place to play, and every time he sees a dog it does not mean it's play time. Socialization is essential, and it's great that you're doing that! I highly recommend getting him into 100% positive reinforcement based group training (preferably not at Petco/Petsmart, unless they happen to have an unusually competent trainer) at/referred by a local Obedience school. This will give him tons of exposure to other dogs and people, while practicing his commands.

You might have to start working on his commands and his focus 100's of yards away from distractions at first, and slowly but surely work your way closer. It's also VERY important that you practice focus commands (watch me, heel, wait, normal commands like sit, down, etc) on a daily basis at home, on walks, and in the yard... not just where you need it most, in environments with lots of exciting distractions. You can use the fact that he's a herding breed for you or against you. All of that intense focus can be directed at YOU, instead of other dogs, if you teach your pup that you are the most rewarding/exciting/positive thing in his life, with consistent training that is filled with fun & rewards.
 

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It sounds like you're going way above & beyond Boomer's threshold... that is, the point at which he can learn and focus on you. This is a good explanation: ClickerSolutions Training Articles -- Behavior Thresholds

Zoom gave you good advice! :) Make sure that you go on as many outings as possible where there will be other dogs, but he will be training, not meeting them. He needs to know that there is a time and a place to play, and every time he sees a dog it does not mean it's play time. Socialization is essential, and it's great that you're doing that! I highly recommend getting him into 100% positive reinforcement based group training (preferably not at Petco/Petsmart, unless they happen to have an unusually competent trainer) at/referred by a local Obedience school. This will give him tons of exposure to other dogs and people, while practicing his commands.

You might have to start working on his commands and his focus 100's of yards away from distractions at first, and slowly but surely work your way closer. It's also VERY important that you practice focus commands (watch me, heel, wait, normal commands like sit, down, etc) on a daily basis at home, on walks, and in the yard... not just where you need it most, in environments with lots of exciting distractions. You can use the fact that he's a herding breed for you or against you. All of that intense focus can be directed at YOU, instead of other dogs, if you teach your pup that you are the most rewarding/exciting/positive thing in his life, with consistent training that is filled with fun & rewards.


Thanks for that explanation. That's a great article. I'll work on increasing his threshold as we train. "He needs to know that there is a time and a place to play" is right on the dot as far as what im expecting of him. I love for him to play with other dogs, but we can't do it every single time!
 

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you have already gotten some great advice... BUT just FYI I don't respond to posts that make my head hurt ;) On this forum or others. I thought it was very nice for FZC to try to help you......

I thought it WAS a nice welcome.. a member tried to help you and then you get upset about it... would it have been better if she hadn't tried to help?
 

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you have already gotten some great advice... BUT just FYI I don't respond to posts that make my head hurt ;) On this forum or others. I thought it was very nice for FZC to try to help you......

I thought it WAS a nice welcome.. a member tried to help you and then you get upset about it... would it have been better if she hadn't tried to help?

Are you serious? What's the point of continuing this? It was said, done, over with. I stated my feelings, then they responded. I got on with it and continued. Why bring that up yet again? It's ridiculous.

That wasn't being helpful. I understand you won't respond to things that make your head hurt. That's completely fine. The whole point is that INSTEAD of first off making the decision to read the jumbled mess or not, then actually helping me with my training issue... I get two responses on how it's not pleasing to the eyes.

To answer your question: "Would it have been better if she hadn't tried to help?"....The point is... if someone really wants to help or is interested, they will read it and respond. I do apologize for it posting in that form...but I can't do anything about it now. If it bothers anyone, just dont read it. Whether you respond or not, i'd much rather have friendly helpful advice from someone than several comments on how I need to fix my grammar mistakes.

How is telling me "paragraphs please" and "i couldnt resist"(but to repost what you've written in paragraph form with no actual helpful advice to go along with it)? If they had reposted it in paragraph form for me then helped me with some nice advice... I would have absolutely no problem with that. Do you get what i'm saying here? That's not helpful.. its just mockery.
 

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Hi Candi, I hope you stick around and ignore some of the "greetings" you've gotten. I would love to see some pictures of Boomer!
 

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you have already gotten some great advice... BUT just FYI I don't respond to posts that make my head hurt ;) On this forum or others. I thought it was very nice for FZC to try to help you......

I thought it WAS a nice welcome.. a member tried to help you and then you get upset about it... would it have been better if she hadn't tried to help?
she mighta broken it into paragraphs but she was an ass about it...


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Anyhoo, I have no advice, but welcome to the forum
 

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Hi Candi, I hope you stick around and ignore some of the "greetings" you've gotten. I would love to see some pictures of Boomer!
Thanks Zoom! I'm about to post some pictures of him now. I just have to figure out this site first.
 

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Aussies are a very vocal and social breed and have some difficulty, when young, with focus. This is the period where you had better take up a drinking habit or loose your mind! LOL!
Have you enrolled him in a training group? If you have already said so, I appologise, I can't remember.
It might help with focus if you can get him into a training school, that way you can desensitise him to working around others.
 

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Aussies are a very vocal and social breed and have some difficulty, when young, with focus. This is the period where you had better take up a drinking habit or loose your mind! LOL!
Have you enrolled him in a training group? If you have already said so, I appologise, I can't remember.
It might help with focus if you can get him into a training school, that way you can desensitise him to working around others.
Haha so true! I have a few bottles in the cabinet to help out. Oh and he is very vocal, always making strange grunts and whails when we talk to him, pet etc.

I'm definately going to enroll him in an obedience class sometime soon. I really think that will be the best for him. That may be the only way I can get him to focus on things such as frisbee and agility.
 

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If you can get him as exhausted as possible before training sessions or outings to the store, that will help too. If he's physically tired, he'll be less motivated to run after them and pay better attention to you (and your handful of treats ;))
 

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make sure that you talk to the trainer before you enroll in class. a group class may or may not be the best idea if he's all kinds of reactive right now. if he spends the entire time over threshold due to the nearby dogs and the trainer can't/won't modify things so that you are able to benefit from the class, look elsewhere. there's no point in letting him practice being overstimulated while you struggle.

i have a 7 month old border collie who is majorly tweaked right now by dogs moving. he wants to chase/bark/act like an idiot. i have him in a couple different classes right now and last night i spent 85% of agility class just working with him on being calm. we were in class, but not actively participating in class, but it was what we needed and i am fortunate that we were able to make that happen for him.

you also might want to look into the book Control Unleashed by Leslie McDevitt and/or a Control Unleashed class.
 

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