Save the Earth... Sterilise yourself
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I guess my point was more that we should be a little concerned about what we are doing to the world, and not just expect our kids to invent something to fix it later on when we can be doing something now. I'm not saying people should force their kids to be environmentalist, but that they themselves should at least take a little notice of what they are doing now. Every little bit helps. A lot of people are already doing something, and that's great. I just disagree with the attitude that some people have who think that it doesn't matter what we do now because our kids or their kids will think of a way to fix it. I'm not saying people have to go to extremes, just be conscious that there is a problem and that just changing minor things in our lives can help.
Edit to add: Debi's reply to you is basically what I was trying to say. Except hers makes a lot more sense, lol!
I'm sorry, maybe I am being a little picky today, but I see claiming to be human as a half hearted apology. Like my mom told me as a kid, the best way to apologize is to say you're sorry and mean it. I have a lot of respect for smkie and I think smkie deserves a real apology. I've had my say, I guess, and I will quit harping on the issue.
First, I pride myself on not being 'most people'. Second, I fully admit I should not have said it, but I did.
It was just one of things that was better left unsaid. I was in a mood and just sick of people who just bitch.
Oh and I don't CLAIM to be human, I am. We all make mistakes.
Besides, would it change your opinion of me if I did?
It was just one of things that was better left unsaid. I was in a mood and just sick of people who just bitch.
Oh and I don't CLAIM to be human, I am. We all make mistakes.
Besides, would it change your opinion of me if I did?
no..it wouldn't. cause sometimes people want something soooooo huge. beyond an apology. who knows what it is. or they want to keep up a gripe. or they feel the need to just be 'right'.
holiday spirit.......where is it??? well.......we all claim to be 'family' on Chaz, so where is your kind holiday forgiveness spirit today?
holiday spirit.......where is it??? well.......we all claim to be 'family' on Chaz, so where is your kind holiday forgiveness spirit today?
Yes, I would have more respect for you if you just came right out and typed "I'm sorry" to smkie. As of right now I see you as being to proud to do so. If you did apologize, that opinion would obviously change. I actually had a lot of respect for you Puckstop because you stand by your convictions no matter what anyone else says, but I don't have respect for people who say obviously hurtful things to other people. I also have little respect for people who can't come right out and apologize when they know they have done something wrong. You may not care if I respect you, which is fine. I was just answering your question.
When you look at sprawl, the decreased rain forest, the decreased coral reef, the possiblity that fish maybe inedible to us in less then 50 years, that acid rain has increased 200 percent in the last 20 years, that we have antibiotic resistant bacteria eg staff, that species are disapearing at an alarming rate, that we have to create the huge harm we do providing all the food for all these people at what cost? But before we can even take that topic off the table we have to deal with the unnecessary waste.
.like i wrote before i had a site that went on page after page and i was appalled and overwhelmed just reading it about the damage we are doing..presently to this home of our future children. Maybe we have a population problem maybe we dont' is the kind of statement i am talking about, to discuss something like this you have to be able to back up your beliefs. I know what i see here. BIg houses going up like mushrooms, chunk after chunk of earth ripped away, the 100 year old oaks gone, replaces by green lawns that are fertilized and herbisized all to our ground water. I don't know what the solution will be but i can't deny what the problem is.
I love babies, all babies, even pigeon babies. ANd i am sorry that they will not be able to have the childhood i had, or better yet the nonguilty one of my mother's generation. My son's outlook is to party (i kid because he works very hard) and not worry about it. But it has already effected him, he had three friends all shot in the head last year, all but one died and she is left with incredible hurdles to face. THe crime rate is horrible. I live in an area they use to call God's backyard because there was little crime rate here and room for everyone. In less then 20 years that has totally changed. Everything has changed, speeded up, we are bombarded with buy this and that and race in big cars to pay for everything we need and everything we don't. I am just as guilty as everyone else, i am not saying i am better then anyone else, but i will repeat it one last time. It is the children of today that will pay for all of this, how i don't know, but i can't see it being good if looking back evene 20 years is any indication of the direction we are going. If anyone can live guiltlessly i guess that would be the old world Amish, and even their attempts have had little impact on the overall avalanche of problems. In Oregon they have green schools where they are teaching children to make choices that are enviormentally sound. But is that enough when i see the incredibly waste that my son's hotel has after each banquet. I add just that little bit in my head and try to times it by each city and i can't see a balance. I don't know the name of the river that flows through i think it is California and down into Mexico that is just a toxic waste dump, if i tried i could probably find the article. I do know a girl for a science project tested 7 area streams and found antibiotics in each one. I do know that monsanto has released a demon and a half with their bioengineered bacillius to fight the cotton bowl weevil. I know that one personally. I could list on for hours where there are signs of a civilization in trouble. We best find a way to prepare these children, give them the best immune systems possible and pray that they can somehow fix what we can not and that is a terrible weight to put on such small shoulders.
.like i wrote before i had a site that went on page after page and i was appalled and overwhelmed just reading it about the damage we are doing..presently to this home of our future children. Maybe we have a population problem maybe we dont' is the kind of statement i am talking about, to discuss something like this you have to be able to back up your beliefs. I know what i see here. BIg houses going up like mushrooms, chunk after chunk of earth ripped away, the 100 year old oaks gone, replaces by green lawns that are fertilized and herbisized all to our ground water. I don't know what the solution will be but i can't deny what the problem is.
I love babies, all babies, even pigeon babies. ANd i am sorry that they will not be able to have the childhood i had, or better yet the nonguilty one of my mother's generation. My son's outlook is to party (i kid because he works very hard) and not worry about it. But it has already effected him, he had three friends all shot in the head last year, all but one died and she is left with incredible hurdles to face. THe crime rate is horrible. I live in an area they use to call God's backyard because there was little crime rate here and room for everyone. In less then 20 years that has totally changed. Everything has changed, speeded up, we are bombarded with buy this and that and race in big cars to pay for everything we need and everything we don't. I am just as guilty as everyone else, i am not saying i am better then anyone else, but i will repeat it one last time. It is the children of today that will pay for all of this, how i don't know, but i can't see it being good if looking back evene 20 years is any indication of the direction we are going. If anyone can live guiltlessly i guess that would be the old world Amish, and even their attempts have had little impact on the overall avalanche of problems. In Oregon they have green schools where they are teaching children to make choices that are enviormentally sound. But is that enough when i see the incredibly waste that my son's hotel has after each banquet. I add just that little bit in my head and try to times it by each city and i can't see a balance. I don't know the name of the river that flows through i think it is California and down into Mexico that is just a toxic waste dump, if i tried i could probably find the article. I do know a girl for a science project tested 7 area streams and found antibiotics in each one. I do know that monsanto has released a demon and a half with their bioengineered bacillius to fight the cotton bowl weevil. I know that one personally. I could list on for hours where there are signs of a civilization in trouble. We best find a way to prepare these children, give them the best immune systems possible and pray that they can somehow fix what we can not and that is a terrible weight to put on such small shoulders.
How is it adolescent to say "what is done is done"? The past is just that, the past. We can't change it, only learn from it. I have in this case. How much better would our world be if more people learned the lessons the past provides, rather than just bitch about it or use it as a excuse for something.
We had a saying in the Army. FIDO. "Eph It, Drive On"
Dizzy, I never expect you to understand me. Especially on a internet forum.
We had a saying in the Army. FIDO. "Eph It, Drive On"
Dizzy, I never expect you to understand me. Especially on a internet forum.
IF a person is going to bring up a topic to discuss, they should be able to do so by backing up their statements with facts. TO strike out personal hateful comments only shows lack of skills in debate and lack of maturity. I have yet to read where there is no problem with overpopulation and how is stating the facts about the topic "b*******"?
You aren't following me. To say I made a mistake is one thing. I don't do regrets, I believe what is done IS done.
But I *hope* I am never so proud as to put on a big charade as to WHY I am not apologising. And to be fair, I say alot of things many people may not agree with, but I never, ever resort to personal insults, or pulling people apart, or suggesting they perhaps take a gun to themselves.
I think it's not this generation alone, but many past that have those thoughts of the vile effects we leave to our children. but...to stop having children...really, is that the answer?? no. to have children educated is the answer. and who has a dozen children these days???? not many, so by wanting a child you are not responsible for over populating the planet. and sadly.......I don't know many young moms that even would consider washing a cloth diaper...or hanging clothes outside to dry on a sunny day. (or in your basement on a bad weather day) I don't know many people interested in walking instead of driving, eating fresh food instead of easy garbage in plastic..frozen for convenience..then toss the plastic onto the landfills. anyone else can fresh garden produce instead of buying canned?? we are sooo spoiled in this society. BUT..and this is the big but........IF we can educate the next generation, stop the 'me' attitude, live more simply and yes..'green', then there is hope for our children to be just fine. 'we' didn't cause all this pollution...it took years and years. all you can hope for is to create a generation that sees the problem and cares more than people do now.