You be the Judge.......

A sad event happen in my area recently. My neighbor who is a "reformed" BYB recently spayed her female dog (Rott/Pit). I posted her story a long time ago. She bred her 120lb Rott/Pit mix to his sister from a later litter. The Male is Dog Aggressive but so so with people, the Female is hyper aggressive towards everything...

Any way to make a long story shorter, she had 10 puppies she thought would make her rich, even though I told her not to breed and that the shelters are full of Pit mixes

She ended up giving half of the puppies away (that was about 9 months ago)

One of the "Puppies" was in the back yard of one her friends house and was playing with a bunch of children at a Birthday party. Apparently there was about 10 six years olds running screaming and playing. All of a sudden an uncle threw open the back yard gate and yelled " Freeze this is a Stick up!" This is a high crime area and many of the kids panicked and screamed and ran for their lives.

The 10 month old "Puppy" launched himself at the uncle and mauled him. His arm was broke and his face and other parts were ripped up pretty bad.

Dilemma....The puppy is now being put to sleep, I am really torn on this. The dog was only protecting its family. The Uncle was being an idiot but can't a guy be silly with out being mauled. The dog was already fighting an uphill battle in life (Poor genetics, very questionable ownership) and now it was will soon be over.

Should this dog be put to sleep? Who is to blame "breeder", owner, uncle or dog?

Just a deal.

At least the "breeder" realizes her mistake, has spayed her female (not sure about the male) so I hope her "operation" is over. Just to bad that all those puppies are out their with much sadness in their future.

The owners... In my personal opinion dogs should not be running around with children who are yelling and screaming during a party. If you can not give full attention to the situation, the dog should have been put away.. that scenerio could have and did turn at any second. The dog did do what he felt was correct and i personally would not put the dog down.

I think this is the key sentence.

While it's not the dog's fault it was poorly bred and probably badly raised, in the end it's still obviously a dangerous animal. At the very least the dog needs to be removed from its current owners, but then what happens to it?

It's a shame, but I think the dog needs to be put down.

Agreed. Its sad for the dog, but you have to think of the safety of others. What if the dog had launched himself at a child instead? That child wouldn't be alive. And to do this at only 10mnths old? The dog will probably only get worse. That "breeder" and others should take this as a good lesson on why some dogs should not be bred.

I think its a combination of everyones fault.... its very sad

The dog should not be put to sleep.....
The breeder made a mistake but she is trying.
The uncle is a ass----.

If you want rescue contacts finding a home for a protective dog without kids and families is easier than find a home fora dog aggressive dog.

Probably, but it's pretty difficult to tell from the description just how big of one he is. Did he really appear that threatening, or was he just being goofy? I dunno, I wasn't there.

Either way, I think a dog that is wound so tightly as to attack and maul someone for tossing open a gate is too dangerous. As Sweet said, what if had been a child? What if it's a child next time and the child is killed or permanently disfigured? Explanations that it's the breeder's fault (but she's trying) or the owner's fault or an ass--- uncle's fault won't mean a thing to a distraught parent.

Sad, but in the end it doesn't matter whose fault it is.

It sounds to me like all the humans involved exibited some really stupid behavior. Breeding dogs irresponsibly, letting them run around in a chaotic uncontrolled environment, and then joking around with big, hyper dogs around and scaring the crap out of a lot of people.

It makes me sad that the only person being punished for their stupidty will be the dog. (Well, I guess having your arm broken is a punishment...though not really fair when you compare it to the dog's death sentence.)

Yes the dog should be put down. The breeder and owners are the ones to blame. THAT is exactly the type of situation that is leading to BSL. I don't know how to stop stupid people from breeding pitbulls. The dogs will suffer as long as they do.

On the subject of the dog being put down I have to say something... Sadie was a rescue, so she had a rough start. She is some type of hound mix. We have a large extended family so unexpected bursts of noise and disruption happen around here. She is as badly bred as a dog could possibly be and this has never happened. I have teens burst through the front door yelling and playing and she does not do anything to them.

it depends on how old the puppy is. at a young age, he can probably be desensitized and taught to behave.

actually causing that much physical damage to a guy though...

i wouldn't say anyone was wrong for PTS this puppy.

That ^^ is just plain stupidity, he should have known better.....

IF the dog attacked that savagely he should never have been in a home setting. Why can't people understand when they breed like that what they are creating! Poor baby never had a chance. No matter the fault of the adults (all are guilty imo) it is the the dog that suffers. It is always the innocent that suffer from the greed and ignorance of others. When will people ever get that through their heads. THat woman that breed this poor dog should have to go through shelter after shelter after shelter and see the results of what she has done, and what others like her do as well. Maybe they should have to be there when these dogs are put down. Only then will they get the full brunt of their actions. I wish i could be the judge because that would be a large part of my ruling.

Not sure this is a breed issue.....Athena is from a bad breeding set up (Long story but I rescued her for a PB rescue) and she wouldn't even growl if someone threw open my backyard gate. Also the puppy was inbreed to the max and was a Rott/Pit Mix. Logic will tell you that it is a very good chance they guardian tendency came from the Rottie side. Not blaming Rotties at all but that is part of their purpose...being a guardian.

For the kids to run from the uncle makes me wonder if the uncle was masked. If the dog and kids didnt know this man and the kids were scared, thats what I would want a dog to do. I wouldnt put that dog down Id give him a ribeye.

There is responsibility on the owner as well to inform anyone who will ever be in contact with this dog.

I am of the opinion that you can not nor should you try to save every dog you see.
We all here talk about responsible breeding and this is a case of not doing so.
A dog who can and does get wound up and attacks like that be it bad owners or what ever the reason needs to be PTS. You can not save them all and to think you can is ridiculous. This is a clear cut case of human aggression and I have to ask anyone in favor of rehab would you have this dog among your children ? Or is it that you think he should be saved as long as you are not the one having to take the responsibility for it ?
This subject is never an easy one but you have to have limits on what you deem to be re trainable.

What Who said or thought that.....

How well did it know the uncle?

If that was an actual robbery or kidnapping, everyone would be clamoring about the dog. Honestly, if a strange person rushed into my backyard with a stick, causing panic, this is when I would want a protective dog to act. The dog may have just got unlucky in this case.

You are a pittie ( I use the phrase affectionatly )owner and a responsible one . A breed bash is not what I meant to say at all. There is a high risk of this happening when careless people get a Bull or rott mix for the status . I despise these people. Our shelter has hundreds that are so mean and scarred up that they have to be PTS. It makes me sick. These people create a situation that is very dangerous. The very attributes that make these dogs stand out also make them dangerous. This is from a person who once had a beautiful St. Bernard and the idiot that lived down the street came and knocked on my door asking if I would breed Harley to his Pit. " They would be bad ass dogs. There should be spay neuter laws on people who lack intelligence or common sense .

Yep your absolutely right....and I was wondering about the knowing the uncle thing as well...

WHen VIctor was surprised in his sleep late one night at the guild he did bark, bare his teeth and back the man up against a wall. HE didn't rush in and have a frenzied attack. THere is a difference. In fact both my dogs had this man against the wall like a pancake. THey gave a warning and if he would have continued in a threatening manner i have no doubt that they both would have bitten him. A frenzied attack is a different story altogether. From the amount of damage to the man it didn't sound like the dog gave much warning before he dove in and created bodily harm. THat is what he was bred to do and by breeding two excessively aggressive dogs together that was only intensified. THrow in inbreeding and you have a health risk, increased cancer, heart deformities and some seriously basic wiring problems in the brain. I have been around a few and i couldn't believe the stupid factor. Dumb is always dangerous in a dog.I want my dog to protect me and my property. I also want my dog to do so with some sense. When my old boss was decided on a breeding, something that was never randomly done, field trial notes poured over, pedigrees and temperment checked and rechecked, he would always tell me never breed two "high" dogs together for you get something you just can't work with. You always want a high drive with a calmer more obedient prone mate. THat way you get a dog that has high drive and good sense. AS long as byb continue with no discretion whatsover, this will be the results. It is the blame first and formost on the breeder.