Circumcision as a criminal act

Every day, we parents must make difficult decisions for our children. Circumcision is just one of the many such decisions a patent is responsible for making. Do we curcumsize or not? Do we vaccinate or not? Breastmilk or formula or both? Do we medicate or not? Do we surgically correct non-life threatening cosmetic abnormalities/deformities such as birthmarks or cleft lips or malformed ears? Do we homeschool or send to a private or public school? Do we keep our child in a 5-pt harness carseat for longer than the law dictates or do we just move to a booster seat as allowable by law? Organic foods versus "regular" foods? 2-piece bathing suits for infants and young girls or put in modest 1-piece suits?

If you have a special needs or medically fragile child, the number of decisions to be made increases drastically.

As a parent, the best thing we can do is educateourselves to all sides of an issue, focus on the facts, and make an educated decision on what to do. There will always be other people who will find the wrongness of our choices and criticize our decisions. That is just another fact of life.

I did educate myself on the pros and cons of circumcision. I discussed it with my pediatrician as well as a pediatric urology surgeon. I made my decision, and I stand by it. You can call me whatever name you want, but don't you dare assume I'm some ignorant non-worthy parent who doesn't care about her children's welfare. If you do, then your next step will be go try an intervene in my life in order to force me to adopt your own personal beliefs on child raising. And ironically, some of those people do not even have a child of their own.

And ftr, I don't really think you're a troll. But you do tend to ask things or make your point in a very abrasive manner. Even when I think you have a point I'm sometimes put off by the way things are worded.

Every day, we parents must make difficult decisions for our children. Circumcision is just one of the many such decisions a patent is responsible for making. Do we curcumsize or not? Do we vaccinate or not? Breastmilk or formula or both? Do we medicate or not? Do we surgically correct non-life threatening cosmetic abnormalities/deformities such as birthmarks or cleft lips or malformed ears? Do we homeschool or send to a private or public school? Do we keep our child in a 5-pt harness carseat for longer than the law dictates or do we just move to a booster seat as allowable by law? Organic foods versus "regular" foods? 2-piece bathing suits for infants and young girls or put in modest 1-piece suits?

If you have a special needs or medically fragile child, the number of decisions to be made increases drastically.

As a parent, the best thing we can do is educateourselves to all sides of an issue, focus on the facts, and make an educated decision on what to do. There will always be other people who will find the wrongness of our choices and criticize our decisions. That is just another fact of life.

I did educate myself on the pros and cons of circumcision. I discussed it with my pediatrician as well as a pediatric urology surgeon. I made my decision, and I stand by it. You can call me whatever name you want, but don't you dare assume I'm some ignorant non-worthy parent who doesn't care about her children's welfare. If you do, then your next step will be go try an intervene in my life in order to force me to adopt your own personal beliefs on child raising. And ironically, some of those people do not even have a child of their own.

I agree. You can have an unpopular opinion without being a jerk because you know you're the minority.

Your question to Dober was pretty offensive considering she was by no means the first person in favor of male circumcision.

If you want to make someone look stupid or feel uncomfortable by asking about their private parts, you should expect an inflamed response.

Every day, we parents must make difficult decisions for our children. Circumcision is just one of the many such decisions a patent is responsible for making. Do we curcumsize or not? Do we vaccinate or not? Breastmilk or formula or both? Do we medicate or not? Do we surgically correct non-life threatening cosmetic abnormalities/deformities such as birthmarks or cleft lips or malformed ears? Do we homeschool or send to a private or public school? Do we keep our child in a 5-pt harness carseat for longer than the law dictates or do we just move to a booster seat as allowable by law? Organic foods versus "regular" foods? 2-piece bathing suits for infants and young girls or put in modest 1-piece suits?

If you have a special needs or medically fragile child, the number of decisions to be made increases drastically.

As a parent, the best thing we can do is educateourselves to all sides of an issue, focus on the facts, and make an educated decision on what to do. There will always be other people who will find the wrongness of our choices and criticize our decisions. That is just another fact of life.

I did educate myself on the pros and cons of circumcision. I discussed it with my pediatrician as well as a pediatric urology surgeon. I made my decision, and I stand by it. You can call me whatever name you want, but don't you dare assume I'm some ignorant non-worthy parent who doesn't care about her children's welfare. If you do, then your next step will be go try an intervene in my life in order to force me to adopt your own personal beliefs on child raising. And ironically, some of those people do not even have a child of their own.

If I remember correctly, I once stated an opinion in a certain person's thread, and in response, I was told to stay our of it or refrain from posting if I couldn't say anything "nice".opcorn:

I pose my opinions the same way, whether or not I "know I'm the minority." Beating around the bush is a waste of my time. Posting in reply to an opinion or topic I agree with simply for the sake of informing the masses that I agree with it (without having anything else to add to the conversation) is also a waste of my time, hence why I'm most noticed when it comes to my differing opinions.

I wasn't singling her out specifically, I asked similar questions of other people with the same stance on the matter. Explain to me how, exactly, my post was offensive?

I asked, "Do you have a difficult time cleaning and keeping yourself clean down there, since (presumably) you haven't had your clitoral hood or inner labia removed?" I used proper terms for body parts, and asked a question in a straight-forward manner.

Would you have preferred I phrase the question this way? "Does your pussy smell like rancid fish because you haven't had your beef curtains hacked off and you're too stupid to know how to bathe yourself?" Because THAT would have been rude and offensive. Do you see the difference? Makes my original question pretty seem damned politely worded, doesn't it?

For the record, since I'm sure it'll be conveniently twisted if I don't offer a disclaimer... No, the above "example" is NOT how the question I asked was actually intended, either. The original question was intended to make a point in a straight forward but educational manner, if the conversation had been continued, because people surprisingly know very little about their own anatomy. Really.

If people can't handle someone using proper terms for body parts, and asking questions related to that topic, perhaps they should avoid threads of this nature?

I'm pretty darn sure I'm the ONLY person in this thread who currently has both a penis, AND a foreskin, and yet I don't feel stupid or uncomfortable at all despite the opinions of people that foreskin is gross, unhygienic, should be cut off, or looks like a naked mole rat. So why on earth should any of you be offended about discussion of female anatomy?

Was it "the certain person who started the thread" who said that to you? It most certainly wasn't. If you think it was, you're mistaken and should go back and check again. I...excuse me, a certain person...would never tell someone to refrain from posting on one of my ("their") threads because they couldn't "say anything nice," whether or not I ("they") personally agree with...err, them?

Edited this a few times, my apologies, I'm horrible at that whole "passive aggressive" thing...

I honesty didn't read it as though she ment me. I'm pretty sure Mia knows it wasn't me, since I have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

Actually I'm fairly certain she was referring to this thread: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151512&page=4 Absolutely NO idea which one you're talking about.

this is all getting very confusing now lol

Yeah, how about you guys take the arguing about THAT thread over to THAT thread? Lol!

Considering a skipped about 10 pages near the middle, that must be where you asked the many other women who are for circumcision if they have troubles with personal hygiene. As a general rule, asking someone if they have trouble keeping themselves in a hygienic manner implies that you find some part of their cleaning routine to be unsatisfactory.

A less inflammatory way to ask that question would be to ask Dober, in her experience as a mother, what differences she has noticed between the ease of cleaning an infant's circumcised penis verses a infant's uncircumcised clitoral hood. By addressing the question directly to her and adding the passive aggressive "since (presumably) you haven't had your clitoral hood or inner labia removed" you made it a fairly clear personal jab. You could have asked it without the last line or addressed it as a general statement rather than a personal one but you did not.

My bad on the "other" thread. It was some random supporter of Seven's that ok'd me with that comment. But I'm sure you (Seven) didnt appreciate me calling your American Bullies...well, what they are.