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If an old guy said to the kid "kick" the dog when it jumps up, I would be worried. He simply said knee him. Or do you expect every kid to be bringing their clickers and dog treats everywhere.
I don't think the guy meant any harm.
No the kid shouldnt be kneeing every dog that it sees. Nor should it be feeding the dog and clicking at it lol.
If this childs parents never taught him not to associate with strange dogs then that's their issue.
I've taught a lot of dogs not to jump on me without the aid of a clicker or treats. No physical contact required, either. I know a trainer who suggests putting your fingers down the throats of mouthy dogs/puppy. She is a nice lady and doesn't mean any harm, and sure, that may work but it's an uncomfortable way to do it for the dog, and with the wrong dog it can go south.

Freehold-- did you or anyone else get mauled or bitten because you kneed a dog? No.... didn't think so.
Sort of, yes. A dog at work was being sketchy towards me and bit my hand. I stood up, backed away, and when he jumped up towards me I put my knee up to block him and he bit my ankle and pulled me to the ground. I'm an adult about the size of a child and I can tell you it wasn't super fun.
 
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#22
I suppose it's not the BEST idea but its certainly not the worst. Just post about something that is actually worth a persons worry. It seems like there are a lot of alarmists on here.
 
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Sort of, yes. A dog at work was being sketchy towards me and bit my hand. I stood up, backed away, and when he jumped up towards me I put my knee up to block him and he bit my ankle and pulled me to the ground. I'm an adult about the size of a child and I can tell you it wasn't super fun.
So instead what should you have done?? Stood there and done nothing as the dog attacked your face.
 

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So instead what should you have done?? Stood there and done nothing as the dog attacked your face.
If he wanted to attack her face, he would have attacked her face, whether her knee was there or not (actually its more likely he would have attacked her face if he knew WAS there cause it could be used for leverage).

I love how people who give a **** about a dogs well-being are suddenly alarmists.
 
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Ok.... lol. I have an opposing opinion. Let's become verbally abusive and angry.
I don't think kneeing a dog if they jump on you is an inappropriate reaction. The dog is not respecting that persons space so that person is reciprocating. MOST dogs wont attack you for that.
If I jumped on you would you give me a treat and tell me to go lay down. Nope.
I'll give it to you-- the owner should take responsibility for training the dog NOT a young kid but as I said before, it's not the biggest deal.
 

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Nor should it be feeding the dog and clicking at it lol.
If I jumped on you would you give me a treat and tell me to go lay down. Nope.
It doesn't sound like you understand how a clicker or food-based rewards are properly used, just judging by all these bitter little "anti-clicker"/"anti-treat" comments here and there I'm finding... I could be wrong, it's just the impression I'm given by reading around the forum. There is definitely a right way and a wrong way, and what you keep mentioning is the wrong way.

That said, although there are clicker methods, a clicker isn't needed to get a strange dog to stop jumping on you. Neither is kneeing the dog in the chest. I find it to be unnecessary, and for me, it didn't even work when I tried it, and that's why I stopped. I've had countless dogs jump on me that I did and did not know, and the method that always worked for me was to cross my arms and turn my side to him. Repeat, repeat, repeat. The dog eventually stops and then I'll pet it. I've given the same advice to others of all ages.

But, if it's a little bitty kid and a big huge dog, kneeing it or anything else probably won't be very effective anyway because the little kid won't be strong enough to stay standing lol. A lot of dogs also seem to see kids differently than adults, and aggression from a child COULD provoke a dog... it depends on the dog. Owners definitely need to train their dogs not jump so that people out in public don't have to take someone else's dog's training into their own hands...
 

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Who became verbally abusive and angry?

Dogs don't know about "respecting space" dogs jump all over each other all the time. Its a case of teaching them that this behaviour won't get attention.
 

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Your acting like the old guy told the kid to beat the **** out of the dog.... weird.
A) it's 'you're'.

B) I think you were the 1st one to use profane language (verbal abuse).

C) ...and call people names (weird) - are you angry?

Hypocritical much?

 

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A) it's 'you're'.

B) I think you were the 1st one to use profane language (verbal abuse).

C) ...and call people names (weird) - are you angry?

Hypocritical much?


^This^

Don't forget, Dizzy, we're also a bunch of alarmists because we a) care about the potential for a dog being mistreated, and b) care about the welfare of a child (who will probably get knocked down since the dog is 2/3 his size and he'll be standing on one leg).

Mutts: have you ever tried teaching a little kid something physical? They tend to put their own spin on things because they just don't have that much body control. So, sure, the guy said 'knee', but do you really think a little kid is gonna remember that when a large dog is coming at them?
 

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#30
I actually find the WORST part of this to be that this guy expects a 6 year old child to deal with a jumping dog himself. Isn't that the adults responsibility?

if my dogs were the type to jump on children I wouldn't be leaving it up to the child to fend the dog off. I wouldn't be giving my dogs the opportunity to jump on a small child in the first place. letting your dog jump on kids in a recipe for disaster... nevermind the instruction to knee the dog. You DON'T let your dogs jump on kids and you don't expect kids to make it stop. YOU stop the dog yourself.
 
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Thank you Dizzy. What would we all do without you proof reading every post?? I just don't know.... you are my savior.
Sparks-- I stated clearly that i believed this man should train his own dog, not a child.
We can all about something meaningful any time now......
 

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Thank you Dizzy. What would we all do without you proof reading every post?? I just don't know.... you are my savior.
Sparks-- I stated clearly that i believed this man should train his own dog, not a child.
We can all about something meaningful any time now......
Seriously, just because *you* don't think something is important doesn't mean everyone else has to quit talking about it. If you don't like this thread there are lots of other ones on the board. I think it's pretty poor behavior to come into a thread and tell everyone how stupid and unimportant you think it is, just like I think it's poor behavior to teach a child to knee a dog.
 
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I think it's pretty stupid that everyone on here gets defensive and slightly offensive when there is an opposing opinion stated.
I would knee a dog if it was jumping up on me. If a dog was aggressive about it I would even kick it (oh my GOD I know).
Let's put it in this perspective-- say a dog was aggressively jumping on your DOG (god knows most people on here care about their dogs more then their kids)... would you stand there like an idiot and let the dog continue this behavior?? No.
With some dogs when a person gives the slightest eye contact they become aggressively reactive. Kids are dense, they will give a dog eye contact.... I guess we had better make a thread on how awful kids are for provoking dogs via eye contact.
This is just plain silly.....
It's the parents responsibility to train their kids how to be around dogs. I agree with that. That's about all I agree with.
 
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It's obvious that these forums are for people who believe their dogs are their "kids" and that prioritize them over and above everything else. THIS is why I don't fit in.
I dont believe in animal cruelty, neglect, puppy mill breeders, bsl etc etc. but frankly some of the threads that are created on here.... well, some people need to get jobs.
 

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So if a dog is so aggressive that eye contact sets it off, you think kicking it is a good idea? Wow!

Oh, and if you kneed my dog you would have a face full of pepper spray :)
 
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#37
Who would knee a rat anyway?? I don't think that much force would be necessary for a ankle biting piece of ****.
 

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Wow! Class act! Is your Papillon, Maltese mix a rat and an ankle biter? Mine don't bite because they have been taught manners.
 
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It was a papillon chihuahua. It didn't work out. The thing kept attacking my other dog and I wasn't having it. Neurotic little dog syndrome. Luckily I offered to foster it before the actual adoption so I had a choice whether I could handle it or not.
 

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