Classified Adverts Vs. BYB's - which is better or worse?

Q.

Is taking a dog from an irresponsible so and so who advertised their dog in a paper/online classifieds any better than taking a dog from a irresponsible BYB who does the same?

Will the irresponsible so and so just get another dog and dump it when the going gets tough - there by perpetuating the BYB cycle?

Is it any better than getting the dog from a BYB direct?

Does it make it better if that dog was sent to a shelter 1st and then adopted - does that make it more "moral" or "ethical" - ie, you will sleep better at night?

Just curious, as people all gain their dogs in different ways - some we approve of, and some we don't.

Does getting a BYB dog from a shelter make it better than getting the dog from the breeder direct - SOMEONE will have still bought that puppy? Or it will have been dumped direct to make space for the next money churners?

Does making a space in the shelter for the next BYB bred dog help the cause?

These in no way reflect my own views - just a thought that popped into my head.

If everyone stopped buying direct byb will stop breeding. If you take a dog from the people who did buy from the byb you are not funding the breeding of byb dogs. No its not ideal (I had a thread on that) but dogs are feeling creatures...

So if I wanted a dog - it is acceptible for me to cruise the paper tonight and call up someone selling theirs?

selling? if its a small fee ok.. but if they are doing it for business profit..no

Basically buying from a classified is buying from a BYB .

So I come online tomorrow, I have seen a GORGEOUS young dog in the paper, tell you all, I saw him in the classifieds, not too expensive, owners were wanting rid for whatever reason - I called them up, and now I have come home with Fido - we're all cool with this?

Just wondering - I dunno what people think on the matter... I am not sure what I think on the matter.

I was always of the impression that buying dogs out of papers/ads in windows/online ads was a bad thing that encourages bad owners to make the same mistake over and over.....

But maybe I will rethink it when I am looking for my next dog lol

So I am a byb? I have put ads in the paper. (before the pups were born) I even found one good puppy owner that way. (and many many people who were not good candidates)

Dizzy, if you found a fantastic dog people were getting rid of and wanted 50 pounds (or dollars) as a fee to weed out people who just wanted it quick.. then I would say Congrats. Its no different that paying to get a dog in a rescue or a shelter in many respects. Now if you payed 400 pounds.....

I think, like most other questions, you have to take it on a case by case basis and not generalize.

Well, by that logic you shouldn't get dogs from rescues or shelters. Indeed, if getting dogs that originally came from BYBs or mills is wrong, that leaves only responsible breeders as a source of dogs and all the other dogs in the world are just out of luck.

Docket came from a scary BYB in east TN, was bought by a couple who then decided they didn't want him and advertised him in the paper as a stud dog (!). He was then picked up by a Pembroke breeder from them (for free, she promised to find him a good home), then passed to the rescue, then passed to me. But he came from a BYB, and then was owned by a couple who tried to sell him in an classified ad. I assume that couple will get another dog at some point, probably from a BYB (though hopefully a slightly better grade of one) and considering they dumped him because they were moving, will probably dump that dog too . . . but I don't see where I, the Pem breeder, or the Cardigan rescue have any responsibility in that. The alternative to our actions would have placed him in another BYB, a mill, or a shelter: the former two resulting in more poorly bred puppies and the last likely in his death.

Sarama came from god-knows what kind of breeder and ended up in a shelter to be pulled by a rescue at the last minute. Our lack of action would simply have resulted in her death.

Saying that you are opening "slots" with these irresponsible owners, or BYBs, doesn't make sense . . . if you don't take the dog out of that situation, it will end up dead, thus opening a "slot." As for pulling from shelters, same thing. If someone is dumping to make room for more milled puppies by ditching them at a shelter, they will continue to do so, and the shelter will be forced to make room by killing . . . my act of removing a dog from that shelter does nothing to encourage that behavior . . .it only saves the dog.

I'll use the case of the Fila I'm about to get.

All I know is she bought the dog out of the newspaper. The breeder could've been a reputable one, but I have no idea. But now she does not want the dog. I am getting the dog from her, but I am NOT buying it. She did ask for a $100.00 donation to the horse rescue she helps to voluntarily run and I actually don't have a problem with that as the money is going to the rescue (which is 501c so I can claim it on next year's taxes). However, I will NOT buy a dog from someone who bought it from a byb and then decided they didn't want it or thought they got ripped off.

I dont really have an issue with this... I wouldnt pay 1000 dollars for a dog out of the classifieds or anything BUT, if someone can no longer care for their dog and puts it in the paper while I DONT support their actions, if you took the dog from them to give it a better home I would support YOUR actions.

I agree on the case by case basis...this is where people should arm themselves with "knowledge"..

MANY people buy Fido from the newspaper ,,why? cause they usually are selling an (for example) akc 'whatever' for 300$,,well ALOT of people see that akc and think WOW I am getting SUCH a deal on an akc dog !!! And go buy it..

If the person has educated themselves regarding their breed of choice AND the difference between a good breed and not so good breeder,,buying from a newspaper/classifieds, they should be able to make an educated decision..

In the end, it all boils down to EDUCATED BUYERS and EDUCATED OWNERS....Which can be one and the same, or are in most cases.


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So I guess what you're asking is the difference between a BYB - who breeds puppies for money and not for the health of the breed - and a person who advertises their one dog for sale in a classified, usually because the dog is an inconvenience in one way or another.

The difference, to me, is that the BYB sells the puppies for money while the "classifieds" person sells the dog for convenience. The BYB will presumably profit from the sale of the puppy, while the "classifieds" person presumably will not. I'm perfectly fine with someone charging $25-$50 rehoming fee, and in fact I would recommend it to weed out the people who may sell the puppy to a fighting ring or to do animal testing. They are not going to make a profit by selling you the dog for $50.

If, on the other hand, the person advertises a dog in the classifieds and charges as much or more than what they paid for the dog (eg. $450 for a "registered" dog), I DO have an issue with that. IMO that's just a rip-off. (NOT that a dog's life is not worth $450.... just that a stupid owner should not profit off selling the dog for convenience).

Many issues here .... I never bred unless I had a waiting list . Also , there's a difference between someone trying to find a home for a dog as apposed to selling puppies .

Personally... NO, I would not acquire a dog from a classified ad. I would go to a rescue or shelter instead, as that is most likely where the dog will end up, anyway.

People lie wayyy too much. They could say in their ad "Oh, we need to find a new home for him because my child is allergic." when the real truth is "Our dog grew up, and isn't as cute anymore, so we're getting a cute little puppy." They could say "Our dog is wonderful with all people and dogs." about a dog with a bite history. Not that rescues/shelters never, ever lie... but if you go to a reputable one, it is in their own best interest to be completely honest and fully evaluate their dogs. With some random person on Craigslist, you don't know their intentions, what they've done with the dog, and what you're encouraging by taking the dog off their hands.

I learned my lesson with Gonzo. Although he was advertised through a BC rescue, he had not been evaluated by them. They claimed he was friendly and socialized, when in reality he was afraid of basically everything. And, when I tried to get ahold of them, their phone was mysteriously disconnected.

Well stated, Jynx :first:

So they dump the dog in a shelter, where a rescue pulls them, hopefully before they go insane, and you adopt it, and the original owner goes and buys another dog.

Evaluating a dog is another issue, and if you don't want to deal with problems, you should get one from a rescue with experienced evaluators. But, if I pull a random Labrador from the country shelter, I really have no better idea about the dog than if I got one out of the paper.

I might have been confused by the original post... my post was in regards to a dog being rehomed... not to a breeder selling a litter of pups.

I just dont see the difference with an older dog, if I pull it out of the situation or it goes to a shelter and I pull it from there.

One thing in favor of getting the rehomed dog directly from the owner instead of letting it go to the shelter is avoiding the dog catching something in the shelter. That happens all too often.