Your Definition of Ethics

[RedyreRottweilers]

One that works their dogs.
And ethical breeder should genuinely care 100% for all dogs/pups involved.
An ethicle breeder screens thoroughly, and places pups accordingly before the breeding even takes place.

Screens, yes. Places before they are born, nope. You can't grade puppies that are not born. Ethical breeders usually have a waiting list, but puppies generally are not actually selected and placed until about 8 weeks.

An ethicle breeder spends a ton of $$ and time from the beginning to the end.
An ethicle breeder has all health testing done epecially tests that are specific to the breed.

Have you had the hips, elbows, hearts, and eyes done on your bitch yet?

An ethicle breeder CULLs pups that are not "worthy"

Define cull?

An eticle breeder charges thousands for a pup.

Nope. Not always. I know many, myself included, who sell puppies for less than $1,000, including show prospects. I have GIVEN puppies to the right homes, and likely will do so again.

An ethicle breeder has a sopa box that they carry with them at all times, and after emergency preaching, their own personal baandwagon comes sliding around the corner like something from the Dukes of Hazzard just in time to rescue the "ethicle breeder."

Do you call educating people who need it standing on a soapbox, and preaching?

Seriously, now that everyone has had ethicle breeder 101, how does this have anything to do when an accident happens???How do you "make up for it??" I will tell you how, as I did.

Be prepared to keep every puppy.
Pay to have an attorney research and draw up binding contracts.
Dont sell the pups, give them to perfect screened homes.
Sell your home and move to acreage to keep your pup s happy and active.
Share your bed every night.
Spay/nueter the parents, and the pups unless you plan on using them for a purpose of show or work.
etc,etc,etc.

 

[MomOf7]

The majority of us know what a ethical or responsible breeder is. You see it over and over in each post here.
A responsible breeder will first of all have plans and goals for thier breed
They will spend countless hours researching pedigrees, health clearances, keep updated on new tests.
They will not look to profit but look to better the breed or lines.
They will not have hundreds of dogs but limit themselves to as many as they can care for properly.
They will do health clearances on thier dogs
They will have contracts for thier clients as to not populate the shelters
They are picky about new clients and who buys a pup or dog from them.
They stick to their word and contract. Honesty is the best policy.
They will only breed dogs that compete and have good temperments.

Without getting into specifics and having a post that is too long to even post here this is a good summary. Pretty much the same thing everyone else has said.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

...not everyone follows the contracts that they sign - savethebulliedbreeds

EXACTLY...no matter how hard you research a potential buyer, some of them will end up breaking the contract for one reason or another through no fault of the breeder. It doesn't make that breeder unethical, but one of their pups was still put in a shelter (most likely without their knowledge cause the buyer could have changed phone numbers/addresses)

My puppies are chipped with MY INFO before they leave my home, and also ear tattooed.

If one ever lands in a shelter, I will be notified.

 

[MomOf7]

Oh yes Red....Avid is a friend of mine. Its a expense but once you get a kit you save money at the vet office.
Kits run $650 depending on which one you get.
Also wanted to add that chipping the pups makes it hard for people to fool you about thier pup not passing a clearance. Nice lil bonus

 

[Boxerowner]

I didn't mean that the question of ethics doesn't matter.....I should have phrased it as "What does it matter to Summit what other people's idea of ethics are?

I don't see anything wrong with breeding pets b/c they are nice or pretty. As long as everyone is healthy, go for it....AND, that the puppies will have a good home to go to or stay in the home they were born into. I do think that there are too many dogs in shelters, but I also believe that a lot of these dogs are in shelters b/c people are too concerned with having the perfect dog by "breed standards" and these shelter dogs are not good enough for them.

What I don't believe in is all this breeding to get the perfect dog so that the owner can win a title and get recognition. This to me is all about greed. And this goes back to my last statement about shelter dogs not being good enough for some....

I'm logging off, won't be back on until tomorrow... I'm sure I'll have a lot to respond to.

I agree with everything said here!


1. Most important to me and SHOULD be to everyone planing to breed
Is full Health testing and pass before being bred because what is the reason for testing if you don't care if your dog/bitch has problems or problems in the lines.

2.Longevity would be my 2 goal
3.Temperament has to have a great temperament
4. If its a working breed the working ability
5.Is Beauty and conformation I don't believe you have to show in conformation to breed as long as you educate yourself and do proper health tests and pass.

 

[Boxerowner]

Oh yes Red....Avid is a friend of mine. Its a expense but once you get a kit you save money at the vet office.
Kits run $650 depending on which one you get.
Also wanted to add that chipping the pups makes it hard for people to fool you about thier pup not passing a clearance. Nice lil bonus

OFA requires permanent ID before testing I do believe.

 

[Mach1girl]

Screens, yes. Places before they are born, nope. You can't grade puppies that are not born. Ethical breeders usually have a waiting list, but puppies generally are not actually selected and placed until about 8 weeks.


Have you had the hips, elbows, hearts, and eyes done on your bitch yet?


Define cull?


Nope. Not always. I know many, myself included, who sell puppies for less than $1,000, including show prospects. I have GIVEN puppies to the right homes, and likely will do so again.


Do you call educating people who need it standing on a soapbox, and preaching?

Red, we've been round and round a ton of times. Funny how you pick MY post to pick apart. Remember, you are not supossed to contact me.

 

[MomOf7]

OFA requires permanent ID before testing I do believe.

NO they dont require but if you want it to show on a pedigree you need to have your dogs perminatly taged.

 

[Boxerowner]

NO they dont require but if you want it to show on a pedigree you need to have your dogs perminatly taged.

OK thank you! I was exactly sure mine are Chipped so I dont have to worry about that.

 

[corsomom]

JFrick, you say you see nothing wrong with breeding pets becouse they are nice and pretty.You also say you feel shelter dogs are not good enough for some. Dont you think that a huge part of the problem with unwanted dogs and over population is becouse so many people breed their pets?

 

[LabBreeder]

That is why they need to stay in contact with the new owners forever.

and if the owner moves and doesn't tell the breeder??? do you still blame the breeder?

 

[LabBreeder]

My puppies are chipped with MY INFO before they leave my home, and also ear tattooed.

If one ever lands in a shelter, I will be notified.

Then you are a VERY ethical and responsible breeder (as we all know).

 

[LabBreeder]

OFA requires permanent ID before testing I do believe.

Actually they require tatooing or permanent ID if you want a preliminary result posted.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Red, we've been round and round a ton of times. Funny how you pick MY post to pick apart. Remember, you are not supossed to contact me.

Rest assured, you won't be getting any PMs from me, but the question remains:

Have you had that testing done on your bitch?

You are the poster child for how not to breed your dogs.

 

[Boxerowner]

Rest assured, you won't be getting any PMs from me, but the question remains:

Have you had that testing done on your bitch?

You are the poster child for how not to breed your dogs.

You sure one to talk crap when you should be looking at your own breeding program.

 

[ChiBree]

Maybe I'll take over this thread?

I've started a new thread guys! Hope you join me there! Or should I just take over this one

 

[JennSLK]

I agree with red about what makes a good breeder.

I can only hope to be half as good of a breeder when I eventually do breed ,as red is.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

You sure one to talk crap when you should be looking at your own breeding program.

Well, I don't really HAVE a breeding program, since I only have one surviving litter who is almost 10 years old.

Are you commenting on my upcoming plans?

 

[bubbatd]

Breeding has changed since I bred .. I never did until I had a waiting list , wanted to extend my line , had a health checked male or female with all OFA and other certifications. I would say I turned down 95 % of females and males wanting to breed. Today , with the dog population raising , I see an explosion of puppys! Never breed a female because they're cute etc.

 

[wolfsoul]

Reputable breeder is such a loose term these days. Everyone has a different idea on what makes you ethical.

There are some things people said here that would describe me as unethical. While the litter my dog is pregnant with now is my breeder's, I will be starting my own kennel in two years. For one, I don't think both the parents need to be champions to be bred. My dog is not a champion. She has four points towards her championship, and I've been told by a judge that she is BIS quality and breeders that she is Specials quality...She is gorgeous. But she doesn't yet have her championship, and won't until next year. I do think it's important that the dog atleast be pointed, as I like to know that a dog will stand for a judge before I buy a puppy or use a stud, as Belgians can often be difficult in the ring. I also don't think that puppies need to be sold for thousands of dollars. In fact, I wouldn't even buy a puppy for thousands of dollars. For this litter, I get two puppies, and I'm GIVING one of them to a friend of mine. I have several people on my waiting list for her litter in two years that are such great homes I will probably give them a good discount, just as a thankyou for being such a great performance home. It's not a contest to see who can afford the puppies. A rich person can be just as horrible a home as a poor person. Money shouldn't be the main objective in any breeding program. The price is the breeder's perogative, but just because someone sells the puppy for under $1000, it doesn't make them a bad breeder. I will never sell my puppies for over $1000.

I think the dogs should be competed with. Whether or not the dogs are TITLED used to be of importance to me -- however, I've realised that it only matters if the dogs' temperments match up to be bred. A dog's prerequisites really aren't important to me -- in fact, the less working titles a dog has, the better match it is for Visa. She can only be bred to low drive dogs.
The dogs should be screened for any health problems that commonly occur in the breed.
The dogs should be registered and have pedigrees.
The breeder should be involved in rescue.