Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by lakotasong, Jul 6, 2006.
Perhaps the very fact that you felt you needed to give tit for tat got YOU quite worked up as well!
Great post, although I don't agree about the raw feeding requirement (really hard to feed for a reasonable price in some places) - a good brand of kibble is fine IMO. And I don't understand the part about vaccinations... too many puppies die from parvo IMO. Mind explaining?
I see your point. The difference is that one way or another, with the actual tendency, if the good guy doesn't put his 10 oranges in there, someone else will... And if you let them do it, you will end up with horrible acid oranges that rot in 2 days, instead of good tasty oranges that will last you a week. So, IMO, it's a good thing that there are still people growing good oranges out there.
Don't get me wrong. Like I said, I have nothing against breeders. I am one myself. But I don't think us sitting here having this discussion a hundred times over or bashing people that come to ask questions is going to help the matter. My only point with the oranges thing is that no matter what, everyone that breeds adds to the problem whether they be "rotten oranges" or "good tasty ones".
You left out NJ, which is kind of interesting. It's possible that we're looking at the situation from opposite ends of the Northeast. From my end, there's dense human population, dwindling open space, and a lot less rural attitude (ie, my land, my animals, my guns) than most other regions. I realize this is a geographically minor section of the country, but it's certainly larger than my 'hometown' and since it's rather heavily populated and politically powerful, it's different requirements are not negligible.
You forgot one point also... A good breeder will have one, maybe two litters a year... Bad breeders have way more than that.
I think you could say that BYBs put 18 of those oranges in the basket
But I see your point I just think that quality matters more than numbers sometimes.
Yes, I agree that it is 18 & 2 as compared to the 10 & 10 I said but I was just trying to get my point across. I really like the acid rotten and good tasty orange thing lol. That was cute.
Glad you cleared that up for me..... Now I can die a happy man.
Just figured I would add, before someone tells me I hate mutts and dogs that didn't come from a very good breeder... I just did a comparison between dogs that are healthy and have a good temperament/look according to the standard (the juicy orange) and dogs that are non conform to the standard and might have health issues (the rotten orange). I didn't mean that mutts and 'non perfect' dogs are rotten...
Fran I got what you were saying...
Well, prove otherwise and I won't say that again! You were the one going on about greed and money...I told you it wasn't so. Therefore I conclude dog showing is NOT your topic on which to speak intelligently. Sorry
And just how have I done that?
I left out New Jersey because I have absolutely no experience with that state.
You sit her and tell everyone to adhere to "the code of ethics" yet in another post you were talking with a girl about a guy that bred dogs that had 3 different breeds in them! And said that he had very nice dogs and that they had a good pedigree etc etc etc. Im pretty sure that the code of ethics doesnt agree with breeding mutts.
i felt something important to say coming on, but i lost it. lol oh well
To me good breeders have a reason for breeding. Money is not an issue. Now that I have Ollie.... I would love to know his background and how he came to be. He's my 1st " Mutt ".... having no dew claws really makes me wonder. He's definitely mostly Retriever of some type , if not completely . The Poodle on PetFinder I feel was because of his curls.
I personally am not entirely against breeding mixed breeds of a certain "type" for a working purpose. Mixed breeds are bred quite often to produce working sheepdogs, for example.
If people breed mixes for a working purpose, do extensive health testing and breed ONLY dogs that are WORKING dogs (not just people breeding their pet mixes "because she *could* work if she had the chance") I still consider them responsible. Would I do it? No.. I think there are enough pure breeds out there to fulfill most needs and I would prefer working towards the improvement of a single breed. However, I don't see a problem with breeding sound working dogs of any breed/mix if the breeder sees to it that all of the puppies are placed in good homes.
RD... I agree with you to a certain point. That's how we have all our breeds today . Again... I wonder of the purpose of my Ollie's breeding. As a stray with no dew claws .... why ???
I honestly don't see much, if any Poodle in Ollie. It's possible that he was from an "oops" litter or bred for field work, as I would think that they cross certain breds for retrieval work too?
If only rescue dogs could talk, eh?
All he'll tell me is " Woof !"
I kind of figured that. In general, though, unless you're talking about some particular agricultural topic, I've always understood 'the northeast' to imply not the rural areas of, say, upstate New York or Vermont or Maine, but the huge, densely populated and influential urban areas of NYC, Philly, Boston, etc.