Ok, so he is 6years old, and we have trained him, he doesn't listen unless you have a treat on hand... Thats the way we trained him... hehe. But, I've also trained him without treats. Sort of... But I have to snap the leash or something like that in order for him to listen, (tug at his collar a little) That gets his attention, but, I think it is too late to train him, and I have little time to work with him, because of homework, and all of that good stuff.. I wish Sugar was still here, she was the one that trained him... (yes Sugar is a dog) We had to put her down recently... Hershey, and her were best of friends, I think... And they taught each other.. I don't know what has happened to him, he has pulled my muscle once, and bit me three times... All, not listening... He could probably break my arm pulling so hard on the leash, when I walk, and he tugs, I pull back gently, and say NO firmly. He doesn't listen, I've tried everything! I don't know how to get him to listen without treats! Thank you for reading!