why do they bite?

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  1. Maxy24

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    well I'm watching the news and they have a story about a APBT that bit a kid while he and the owner were walking him home after he ran away. The pitty bit the boy and a man who was getting him off by kicking (don't blame him). Then my brother says see pit bulls are evil (as I always tell my family they are good) of course I defend them, but the truth is I don't know why you always hear about Pit bulls attacking people and never any other breeds. At first I though maybe he was not even a pit but was a mix but he was clearly a APBT or Amstaff. So why do they bite? I know it is irresponsible owners and all that but I know all the other breeds have irresponsible owners too but why don't you hear about them nearly as much as with pits. It could be because a pit bull has so many breeds in the genre and because a lot of people who thenk pits are prone to bite get them because they actually want an aggressive dog and train them to be so, but why do you think they are always in the news and other breeds are not? Please don't turn this in to an argument or attack every body who apposes your view post, that was not my intension, but to be able to defend the breed after they bite I need to know why they always do it and other breeds don't.
     
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    I believe they bite because they were never trained properly. Some bite out of fear, others bite out of play(they can play rough).. etc etc..

    As a young puppy, they weren't socialized properly i'm sure..

    Riot used to bite people when he was little.. it was out of fear. Hes since grown out of that stage because I worked VERY hard with him. He'll now give strangers kisses(something he'd never attempt as a puppy).

    Its just irresponsible owners that have the "tough" looking dogs.. They more then likely want a dog that is aggresive to make up for their position in society.
     
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    The APBT has been plagued with negative publicity a lot recently. There are at least 25 other purebred dogs that can be misidentified as an APBT as well as many crosses/mixes that have similar characteristics. Few people are truly able to correctly identify this breed. In the midst of an attack, in a panic situation, if they see a dog with short hair, muscles, and a boxy head they think automatically "Pit Bull". Not always true but with the negativity surrounding the breed I can understand their reaction.

    I am in no way saying that there are no attacks done by the APBT, just pointing out that "Pit Bull" is such a generic term that it can include many different breeds and crosses of dog.

    There are other dogs that attack and if you google news with dog bite or dog attack in your search, you will find more than just the "Pit Bull" It's just that when people hear "Pit Bull" they want to read what happened. They actually seem to enjoy hearing bad things about these animals. It a name that sells and interests people whether it's positive or negative.

    Now, in regards to the APBT's that do bite. When it comes to raising these dogs, it should be top priority to socialize well. They can be protective of their owners and territory and if not taught that all humans are acceptable, you have a possibly dangerous situation. If a dog is kept isolated from others, it learns to fear other humans as possible threats. If owners of these dogs don't raise them properly, as with any breed, they become a risk. It's just unfortunate that they are larger than a shih tzu so can cause more damage when they do bite. Side note, all those reports you read about PSI levels for dog bites are out of wack. All dogs fall within the same range of power, about 230 PSI. The APBT usually holds and shakes, while a lot of other breeds will bite, let go, bite, let go, etc. Each type of bite causes different kinds of damage.

    Now, we all realize that bad owners who raise them to be aggressive need to be removed from the picture. That's a given. A lot of the attacks that you hear of are free roaming unaltered animals. Bad situation on all counts.

    There is also the BYB's that are in it for the money, so temperament testing their dogs doesn't even come into the picture. This creates an instability in the breed that has proven to be dangerous to people and to the breed itself. It never used to be this way, they were known as nanny dogs and could be trusted implicitly. It's a sad state of affairs.

    All in all, these dog are not for everyone. Unless you have a lot of experience with raising smart, strong willed dogs, and train diligently, you may be setting up our breed for extinction.

    When the APBT became the new fad breed to own, it was only a matter of time until problems arose. It happened with GSD's, Rott's, Dobie's and I'm sure, other breeds as well. To me, proper education about the breed instead of emotional reactions to news stories will, in the end, save these fine animals from extinction. At least, I'm hoping it will. I have never owned a better breed of animal. If bred and raised properly, they make fantastic animals that I take great pride in owning. I love my dogs above and beyond all the bad press they get, and as many others who own them will say, there is no other breed that I will love as much.
     
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    In order of importance from least to most:

    1) There are a lot of them, so the odds of them biting are greater than the odds of a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog biting.

    2) They attract trash owners like any other macho breed, and when you put trash with a dog, you get a biting dog

    3) They also attract non-trashy but inexperienced people who think that everything bad said about them is hype, and that it's bigotry to say they're any different than a Golden Retriever.

    3) When they do bite, it's catastrophic. Their size, strength and tendency to clamp down cause extreme damage in a short time, and that's newsworthy.
     
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    back when i had my rottie, that's all i ever heard about - dog attack stories involving rotts. it was annoying. really annoying. my dog had to go above and beyond the call of any dog to prove her worth to the world.
    but yeah, it's totally about fads. i remember when cockers where the #1 biter in the states.
     
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    They don't have superhuman jaws and/or strength or anything like this comment is leading people to believe. They bite no harder than any of your other large dog or medium to large dogs. They are not the strongest breed out there.

    And what is newsworthy? It wasn't newsworthy when a 5 year old child by me ended up in the ICU for a week with horribly disfiguring bites to his upper torso & face & neck? Obviously it wasn't, because a lab did it & no one ever heard a peep from the news media.

    And DryCreek, good post.
     
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    To be honest I dont see a difference between them and a golden retriever, sure they both are completly different dogs, but I dont see why they would be more likely to bite? But I dont have a lot of experience with them. I had a foster pit for 4 months, and that is the only pit I have ever *owned*. I do know they are stronger, but they are just as easy to train as say a golden retriever (unlike many other breeds).

    I guess you have to be extra careful to make sure that they are well sociailized due to their bad rap but I dont think there is anything "wrong with them" that would cause human aggression except crappy owners.

    I am the first to admit I am inexperienced but my foster's new "parents" seem very happy with him and think he is terrific. I read a lot on PBRC as well. But I do think a lot of it is "hype". Yes they have bitten & killed people, but I can list off lots of dog bites (some very serious) made by other dogs in my area that didnt "make the papers". One case a police dog viciously attacked it's handler for no apperant reason but that didnt make the paper-girl would have died had someone not been standing there. I do know they are different then golden retrievers but so are chis, dalmatians, german shepherds, and any other breed. No breed is the same.

    Maybe I took your comment wrong?
     
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    I am involved in rescue and the lady who runs the rescue I volunteer with will NOT EVER pull another cocker spaniel because she said they are "little bitters". I have met a few sweet cocker spaniels who wouldnt bite though.
     
  9. whatszmatter

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    That and the news can't get the breed of a dog right if they tried. Anyone notice that the black lab they kept parading around as a black lab had erect ears? I think I saw ONE new source all it a lab mix, the rest called it a black lab, which anyone that knows labs can see its not. It happens more times than people will admit I think.

    I know Last year by us they had a case where a "pit" attacked a daschund. As reported on the news. They showed a picture of the dog and it was some sort of shitzu mix or someting, anyone with a brain could see it wasn't a dachsund, not even close.

    Then they showed the evil Pit in the shelter awaiting testing for about 2 seconds, vaguely looked like a pit bull, maybe had some it in it somewhere along the line, maybe, but since the dog wasn't looking too aggressive the news channel promptly threw up a graphic of a viscous looking dog totally unrelated to the case.

    I find that recently, any news story that I'm even remotely involved in has more descrpencies with what I've witnessed or been a part of than facts, makes me really skeptic of what they tell us every night on the news.
     
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    my family owned a few cockers growing up. actually my first two dogs [that were just mine] were cockers.

    only one of all the cockers we had was a problem, and she just couldn't stand small children, even as a puppy. she wasn't a biter, but very nervous and unhappy. she was rehomed with an elderly couple.
     
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    they are EXTREMELY different than a golden retriever. it's no excuse for human biting, though, and pit bulls should NEVER show human aggression. ever. it is utterly unacceptable, period.

    but people who want to own this breed need to understand that they tend to be very drivey, very energetic, very prey-driven, dog-aggressive, and determined. golden retreivers are not, generally, any of those things. they're a much easier breed.
     
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    Adopt , I understand your point , but I could never compare any Pittie to a Golden . Completely different genes ....and Goldens are known for their soft mouth .
     
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    the mistaken belief that all breeds are the same [and just look different] is what gets far too many dogs/people in trouble! not even all dogs of the same breed are alike!
     
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    Here are some stories of other breeds that have bitten. I'm not asking you to read them all, I just want to show the OP that it's not just the "Pit Bull" that makes the news.

    a cross between a corgi and a Jack Russell
    http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_headline=dog-bit-oap-on-ankle-&method=full&objectid=18658708&siteid=50003-name_page.html

    rottweilers
    http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/news/bmnewsbridgwater/display.var.1232224.0.dangerous_dogs_warning.php

    two boxers
    http://icsurreyonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200surreyheadlines/tm_headline=owner-in-court-after-dog--bit-woman-s-breast-&method=full&objectid=18688352&siteid=50101-name_page.html

    chow chow
    http://www.altoonamirror.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=9662

    police dog bites deputy
    http://community.emeraldcoast.com/fortwalton/news/article.showarticle.db.php?a=7583

    no breed mentioned
    http://www.dowagiacnews.com/articles/2007/02/28/news/dnnews4.txt

    Police dog bites good samaritan
    http://www.sherwoodparknews.com/News/290448.html

    mixed-breed hound
    http://www1.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,2545,TCP_16736_5379536,00.html

    and also, an update on a "Pit Bull attack" Aparently the dog who bit the boys, was being beaten by them.....
    http://enterprise.southofboston.com/articles/2007/03/02/news/news/news01.txt

    All dogs can bite, and we will never know exactly why in some cases as people tend to lie to protect themselves from judgement. That is why it must be taken on a dog to dog basis, not by the breed.
     
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    I said the dogs are strong and big. They are strong and big. I didn't say they had superjaws or were the strongest breed in the world. Relax.

    ed. after seeing Gonzo's post - oh, lord, here we go again.
     
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    You are right. Same could be said for Dalmatians (what I own, so that is what I come back to). They are very different then golden retrievers, and during the 101 Dal craze, the same thing happened to them. They were bought by people who thought ""this dog is going to be just like Pongo in the movie". Then shock, they arent.

    I would hope someone getting a dog, especially a responsible person, would do their homework first no matter what breeds they are looking into. No dog breed is for everyone. Anyone with half a brain should know how active, prey driven they are and they should be aware of the dog aggression as well. You are right, if people dont know that about them they are not doing anything good for the breed.

    I took Cass's comment the wrong way. I see what she meant now. She just meant they had different personalities. Sorry!


    ETA-I am sure there have been many people who have been bitten/mauled by a golden retriever. People who chain their GRs up and people who just dont pay attention to them. Not to mention that there are so many, they have to be high on the bite list. No I wouldnt compare the personality of a pit bull to the personality of a GR. I also wouldnt compare the personality of a Chi to a Cocker Spaniel either. But I dont think either is more likely to bite. I think it depends on the owners and how they are raised/trained. Not to mention the kind of people who want each of them. A lot of people want pits because they "look bad", most people want GR usually as family pets. It's sad that so many idiots are ruining the breed.

    I actually find pits (or the one I had) more loyal than any dog I have met. Jet, my foster boy, you could see in his eyes would have laid down his life for me. He would have done anything to make me happy. Words cant express what a loyal and devoted dog he was or how much he loved me. He ended up going to a family in MA. He has a 7 year old boy who is his new best friend (and an 11 month old human sister) and two "parents" who absolutly adore him. Pits are meant to be family dogs.
     
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    But you did say that's why they are newsworthy.


    Back when Dobermans were the big deal, they were what you saw in the news. Every large dog breed that has had problems with people breeding for aggression has played it's part in the limelight. That is one reason why Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepherds, etc, are sometimes blacklisted in BSL areas.

    Like was said before (by DryCreek) there are a ton of breeds that resemble an APBT in build, but many are much thicker, much taller, much more kowely, etc. And it doesn't help that so many people still feel the need to breed these dogs and make as much off of them as they can. They are breeding 90-200 pound "Pit Bull Terriers" and making thousands off of every pup. And the problem is that many do not temperament test, and the general public is starting to believe that this is how these dogs should look.
    And if you happen to have an APBT that is 36 pounds or around the lower end of the standard, nobody believes it's an APBT, or they believe it's gamebred, and assume it will bite too.
     
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    Maxy, are you talking about the attack that happened in Taunton Mass.? I'm pretty sure you are because of where you live *wink*. I had heard that the 10 and 12 year old boys were wrestling with the dog when the dog started biting because the boys were getting to rough and physical with him.
    Alls I have to say to this incident is where is the parents? HERES some of the story
    http://www.wbz.com/pages/270397.php?contentType=4&contentId=352323
     
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    Well, I've had many stitches from wrestling with my animals at a time too.
    I wish I had a way to know exactly what happened. If they were in fact wrestling with a dog (as many many little boys do) then I hope they understand that the breed has nothing to do with it.[​IMG]
     
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    Here is what I found about that incident.

     

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