Why Do People Feel the need???

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  1. Love4Pits

    Love4Pits Playful Husky Pup

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    To be so in control of a pets birth. i was watching Thats My Baby on Animal Planet. I really don't like the show i was just flipping and saw a beautiful dog and stopped. The Mum was Pyrenean Mastiff and when she gave birth the women would bairly let the dog touch the pups she even pulled them out!!! Im a avid beleiver that a ***** should deliver her own pups. I let them deliver and clean their own pups and then i take a look but i beleive it is the mums right to take care of her pups. the dog was leaping up trying to get to her pups which were fine and the women was acting like she could'nt understand why he dog was so upset :rolleyes: . Just gets on my nerves.
     
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    Saje Island dweller

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    That is annoying. I totally get what you are saying. That's an important bonding time for them. Seems to me that would only encourage the babies getting rejected should the mother be the rejecting type. I think they should be bonded to their mom more than the adult. She's the one who will be teaching them how to be a dog!
     
  3. bubbatd

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    I agree to a point.....when I helped in whelping I let the Mom do as much as she could. One litter came so quickly that the Mom was cleaning one and another would be coming....at this point I would put all pups aside and let her birth ....otherwise there would be too many pups to step on as she would change postions to whelp and the get the after birth and try to clean new pup. She knew her pups were safe, I was helping with towel drying and stimulating and when she was resting in between I'd put all pups up to her. This one litter she had 13 and we were both worn out !!! Ah , how I miss those times.
     
  4. Love4Pits

    Love4Pits Playful Husky Pup

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    I do the same in that situation bubbatd so i agree with you as well.
     
  5. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Grammy, I'll wish you were here with me when it's time for my girls to have a litter! You have no idea how I'm dreading it . . . I'll REALLY need a Grammy! :)
     
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    Saje Island dweller

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    Well my experience is only with horses and I only intervene when they are in trouble. Thankfully I've never had to do that by myself.

    I can't imagine dealing with 13 pups though! I never plan on breeding dogs or cats so I guess I won't have to. I'll just deal with my one foal every so many years. lol

    Foals do get 'imprinted' where they are handled everyday. Fingers in the nose, ears... because they grow up to be so big! But I don't do that during or immediately after a birth. I've had to deal with orphaned foals and that's extremely though and heart-breaking.
     
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    Renee....I would almost kill to be there with you !!! When are you going to whelp ??? I'd be glad to help in anyway.....I do have an old tape (if I can find it ) of one of my litters. It think it was Eli's whelping. Would you like to see it ? Also, get "How to raise etc " or I'll send you the one I jusy got. PM me.
     
  8. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    We won't be breeding Shiva until she's well over two years old, and the same goes for Kharma. I'm just dreading it in advance. :eek: I've been warned that sometimes the mastiff's get lazy about pushing during labor, but as active as these two are and as well toned and muscular I don't really see that as a problem. I just worry . . . my big over grown ShivaSweetie-puppy and my IttyBittyPrittyBaby Kharma being mamas someday . . . they're my BABIES! :eek:

    Okay, you can stop laughing at me now. :eek:
     
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    Hardest part for you guys is to let those puppies go. I would miss them too much.

    -Jon
     
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    Oh, Charley's already announced that we'll probably be keeping the pups, except for one to my parents and maybe one or two others to people we trust who will raise them inside and treat them like one of their children. You should see him explaining this to people: "These dogs are like children. They need to be with you. They need your attention. They want to be with you all the time . . . If you're not going to be able to spend lots of time with a dog you don't need a Fila." :)
     
  11. smkie

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    i always assisted the births..helped move the puppies out of the way when they were circling so they wouldn't crush one..let mom clean and all but was careful not to let her chew too far down on the umbilical..it happens sometimes they are so nervous and will bite right into the babie's tummy..Labs have big litters too usually between 8 to 14. Mom is tired towards the end so i make a cup of coffee for her. The stimulant gives them the extra push for those last pushes..i take the weaker ones and put them under the lights to help keep them warm during the birth process putting them back inbetween to get them to nurse..the stimulation helps bring on the next contraction. I make sure the thinner ones get the back nipples that are so full and larger nippled so it is easier for them to latch on..i rotate puppies. I give drinks of water, help wash mom up, and she always gets a huge piece of pizza when all is said and done..i make sure she isn't too hot, nor the puppies too cold. I am a good midwife and i never heard one of my Mom's complain! It was my job to help mom from labor to the selling of her pups. Ol Boss always let her keep one for extra time a few months and trained that one out and sold it as a good started dog.
     
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    We recently had a litter (our first) I was panicing if it would go alright, but Willow was a wonderful mum, the first pup she was a little surprised at (what the heck is this) :p but then she got into cleaning him and he went onto her teat straight away, only one pup was a bit slower going to the teat so I put her on. Willow cleaned the pups fed them, cleaned herself and everything, I was sat with her through the whole process, the only thing I did do was move pups out of the way when she was trying to give birth to the next pup, they were put into a box (in the welping box) next to Willow with a heat lamp on, to keep them warm as soon as the next pup was born they all went immediatly onto mum, during the welping I gave mum diluted puppy formula as a drink along with water, and after she was settled gave her some scrambled eggs, by the time the last pup was born I felt that I had been assisting in births all my life :p it was a wonderful experience, and although a little painful for mum, she loved being a mum once it was all over.

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    i do believe you have the most beautiful whelping box i have ever seen..did you make it yourself Mo?
     
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    :p Yes. got our joiner to build it for me, we have our own building company so, lucky in that respect lol its a very simple structure, but can be taken apart and re used if needed.

    Mo
     
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    Nothing's better than a good whelping pen. Instead of wooden safety rails, we had pipes that we removed when the pups were large enough not to get pinned. I breed Bubba to a female once and the family promised to make a whelping pen. They then used a large wading pool and the Mom rolled on and killed 2 beautiful pups. Lord, I was mad and sad !
     
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    ol boss had a puppy box for the mama afterwards where she could lay/lie with the puppies below or if she needed a break there was a shelf where she could get up and have a break away from the kids..ths was for when they were no longer new borns..and had gone out to the kennel..the moms used that shelf alot!
    sorry bout your two babies bubbatd!
     

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