White German Shepherd

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  1. corgipower

    corgipower Tweleve Enthusiest

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    Actually, I have seen some working quality white GSD's. They're not oopses from colored parents and they're not crosses. They come from people who are breeding white GSD's who have working qualities to begin with.
     
  2. Xeph

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    Working quality and working lines are not the same thing corgipower.

    You're not going to find a white puppy with, say, Eagle Eichenluft behind it unless the dogs were cross lines.

    Also Foxy, you are incorrect again in your description of inbreeding and linebreeding. Inbreeding/linebreeding does not cause defects...it allows defects (and attributes) to be expressed.

    You cannot breed something that is not already there, whether you see it or not.

    Also...it's conformation and Shepherd...sorry it was bothering me.

    It depends on how you define "overdone":
    http://www.shawlein.com/The_Standard/13_Breed_Type/white2.JPG

    I find this to be a beautiful dog (white or otherwise) but many would consider him overdone
     
  3. FoxyWench

    FoxyWench Salty Sea Dog

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    again xeph, your not reading my posts. i said in and line breeding FIXES traits and Overdone line breeding will "cause" defects, just because those defects are hidden "traits" doesnt make them any less of a defect, and the fact that these traits are expressed more and FIXED with each in/line breeding yes it does "cause" them in the sense that it causes them to be stroger expressed and fixed with each breeding.

    if you in or line breed for good traits it can work out well producing a certain look and "locking it" in place..
    howeer in or line breed without a clue as to what your doing you get all kinds of issues which become more apparent due to expressing and locking of said undesirable traits.

    but again, obviously either im not getting what im trying to say across in type...or your simply not getting what im trying to say...
    which ill chock up to the fact im currently on a nice high dose of codine for pain.
     
  4. DanL

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    I think the people who do nothing but conformation, and breed for conformation, are the ones who are ruining the breed. The conformation standards have changed so much and breeders who want a show champion have bred to that standard so much that the GSD is hardly what it used to be. Show me breeders who breed for nothing but looks, I'll show you a dog that can't do what it was meant to do. Herding, protection, anything that requires strong nerves, even temperament, and physical endurance. I'm sure there are examples out there but there's a reason why police and military K9 people don't use show dogs.

    While the whites may not have the conformation "traits" that the average show champion has, they have had many of their desirable attributes watered down by the breeding for color over everything else.
     
  5. Xeph

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    The White breeders call them Berger Blanc Suisse. I don't agree with it because they're still GSDs. Nothing else has been introduced into the line.

    As to the conformation standards, they really have not changed...it is standard interpretation that is the issue. The differences in the SV and AKC standards are actually minimal, but politics + different interpretation = problems.

    And I've seen a few show lines that are doing ok as K9's, though I don't have problem admitting they aren't the norm.
     
  6. FoxyWench

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    absolutly agree Dan...
    its such a shame what confirmation does to many breeds...
    human interpretation always causes issues, im almost every aspect of life.
     
  7. colliewog

    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    That is the first white I've seen that looked like the other dogs in the ring ... I was using 'overdone' because there have been many discussions on here about show GSD conformation and figured people would relate to the word. I prefer 'extreme', such as too much angulation (for my tastes), although I know the purpose is for the flying trot ...
     
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    Some breeders successed in getting it reconized it by the FCI, and is allowed to show.

    As it says in wikipedia

    The standar appears as BERGER BLANC SUISSE http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/347a2002_en.doc
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    Lots of new breeds start from taking a few traits from an existing population. Often they call them something else due to politics. (PRTs vs JRTs anyone? PRTs all came from JRTs, but their breed standard is slightly different)
     
  10. Xeph

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    I know and I hate it >.<

    Unlike the PRT and JRT that look fundamentally different at this point (to me anyway) the White Shepherds still look (and STACK!) like regular GSDs, and are built the same.
     
  11. Romy

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    Just found this kind of interesting. It's a photo pedigree of a white gsd, UKC and IABCA CH, out of colored parents. The dogs in the pedigree, IMO are just beautiful, with the kind of toplines I like and seem to have nice stable rears. I like that moderate look, if I was to search for a gsd from a breeder that's the look I would try to find. It would be nice if they had proven working titles, etc. but their site says they have produced puppies used in SAR and service dog work.

    picture pedigree

    I've seen a few german high lines roach backed super deep red pigmented black and tan GSDs with really unstable temperaments. I have no idea of any health issues in those particular lines, they were in the training classes we took Strider to. One of them attacked him in the play field unprovoked. Strider was just bouncing around, 50 feet away in an open field and the shepherd crept up behind him and bit his butt really hard, then tried to start a fight. Total cheapshot. They were pretty fear bitey with humans too, and had some pretty intensive desensitization happening in class. They were safer to be around afterward, but it took a LOT of work to get there. A lot more than should have been necessary for a dog born with a stable temperament.

    Selecting specifically for a single color, regardless of color, has detrimental effects when you're not taking the whole picture into account.
     
  12. Vintage Boxers

    Vintage Boxers Boxer Buddy

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    No but the ones have i seen are UNDERdone...but that has only been 10 or 15 of them.


    Personally no other opinion on them, just wanted to put that out there...lmao
     
  13. Xeph

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    Not a fan of that white's pedigree at all...no consistency...
     
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    I think that "Heidi" dog that Romy posted, is a nice looking girl, but xeph is right, the pedigrees are a mish mash of this and that.
     

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