Which breed?

Discussion in 'The Dog Breeds' started by Gamba, Jun 17, 2006.

  1. filarotten

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    I have had two airedales a male and a female. Of the terriers, I think they are a little more laid back than the smaller ones. They can be terrors as puppys, they are very playful and inquisitive, and too smart sometimes. lol But they are excellent with children and are very good watchdogs. I got mine when my son was almost two. But, the main problem I had with mine, was dog aggression, as with most terriers. Once they are confronted, they don't want to back down.

    If you socialize, take the dog to obedience classes and give it lots of love and attention it will be a very nice dog to own. But, they do require lots of grooming at the groomer.

    They are very protective, one day my son decided he was running away from home and going to live with his Nanny, he was 5. She only lived a few houses down from us but there was a large field between the houses. Nelson stayed with Todd the entire time. He did not leave his side, and stayed with him at his Nanny's until Todd decided he wanted to live back home. lol I went and got both of them. He was big enough to scare people with his looks, and had a loud bark. Most strangers were afraid of him because of that.

    Personally I think it would be a very good dog for a first time dog owner. Just make sure you teach the kids respect for the dog, and vice versa. And be prepared for lack of sleep while housebreaking.

    I think Gempress had some very good advice.

    To me, I think a terrier is the best dog to start with if you plan on going into the true guardian breeds later. They are tenacious, but a good controllable size to start with.

    You don't need a trained guard dog to start with. I think you on the right track.

    Good luck, and keep us posted. We are here to help.

    And just to set the record straight, the majority of the true guardian breeds are very good with Children. I am talking their protective instinct is bred into them, they are not trained to be protective. There is a difference, I would never recommend one for a first time dog owner.
     
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  2. GSDlover_4ever

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    I agree with Jenn, dogs properly trained and have stable temperaments are very dependable. I would feel safer leaving my child with a Sch III dog than a pet. Sch and PP dogs can be turned on and off like a light switch.
     
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    I'm sorry, I meant a dog that was trained to be aggressive. A properly trained dog would be fine, I'm sure. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry :D Please, please forget I said that!

    I was just getting at the fact that maybe having a dog that would alert you to intruders or whatever might be more desirable to this particular person, a first time dog owner.
     
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    I would consider the family dog first... large and a great family dog..... My Golden wouldn't hurt a flea , but barks at any strange sound....I'd rather have an alarm than a killer. A Lab is the same....it's the bark...not the color .
     
  5. stevinski

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    chinese shar-pei's were bred for guarding so thats what their naturally good for!
     
  6. Leslie + Chessies

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    Chesapeake Bay Retrievers are wonderful family dogs, yet are also fierce protectors. Unlike the other retrievers, Chesapeakes were bred to hunt with the solitary hunter. When the hunt was over, these dogs were expected to guard the daily catch. The dog that developed from these early demands is driven, intelligent, protective, and active. Chesapeakes feel a strong sense of responsibility to protect their owner's property - the yard, the house, the car, the children, the cats, the houseguests. Chesapeakes are also extremely loyal, affectionate, and clownish. Both of mine are wonderful with children, but wary and aloof with strangers.

    Experienced owners and owners who have a strong commitment to training and exercising the dog do better with a Chesapeake. They are a breed that should be contained, due their protective nature. Chesapeakes must be socialized with kinds of people, animals, and situations from a young age. Dogs without socialization are often the fearful or suspicious and may end up on the aggressive side.
     
  7. gdsgregory

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    Hi Gamba,

    I sympathise with you tremendously as this happened to me 18 months ago and I can therefore fully understand you emotions. For me the answer was simple and I went ahead and now have 2 fila brasileiro dogs to protect my family. But a dog is by no means the answer to everyones problem of this nature.
    Firstly living in the western world you will have many legal issues if your dog rips a burglar to shreds and also your animal will most likely be sent for destruction. I do not have this problem living in south america.
    The dog will need to be loved and to be a member of the family in order to be effective. If you did not want a dog before the burglary you really should think long and hard before geeting one now.
    The animal will need to be trained and socialized and an animal that could tear someone to shreds will be a guardian breed which will again require an experienced owner so as to avoid a complete and utter disaster. Really, a guardian breed with no experience is a huge mistake period.
    Another thing to consider is that most dogs, whether owners want to believe it or not, will not attack. I am serious, most dogs will not attack when faced with an aggressive intruder and any intruder who persists in gaining entry to your house when they hear a dog bark is an aggressive intruder. Specialised training is neccessary to ensure that your animal will attack and that is expensive and time consuming as well as a huge responsibility. Also to be considered is that your dog will itself be a child until the age of approximately 18 months and will be relatively useless untill such an age and after training.
    Anyway, if you are serious about getting a dog as a family member and beloved pet who can be a personal burglar alarm the breeds that I would reccomend to be with children are: a game bred american pit bull terrier from a reputable breeder ($$$ and will not attack humans but looks formidable) an English staffordshire bull terrier (known as the childrens guardian in England) a boxer which is a great watch dog while being great with kids, a labrador and to is a lesser extent given the experience issues a GSD.
    Good luck!
     
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    Very true.


    An APBT make terrible guard dogs ESPECIALLY ones from reputable breeders. They are not bred for human agression. The pits you see out there attacking are poorly bred ones or are ones who have been victims of these wanna be thugs.
     
  9. Georgygirl

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    The poster said that an APBT will not attack humans. I think they were implying that the LOOK of an APBT would be enough to deter a lot of burglars even though the pit would probably only lick them to death.:) Definitely not a breed for just anyone. I'd do a lot of reseach before getting a pit bull. The breed deserves very responsible and well informed owners. You'd also have to check in on your city's stand on BSL if you think about getting any bully breed.
     
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    just in responce to the person who said pits will not attack its not always true i have 2 that yall know me are raised as pets arent ever trained to attack or anything but if someone were to lay a hand on me or enter my house without permission they would attack not tear you to shreds but hold the ankles or something but they are also NOT NOT NOTa breed for a first time owner. Why dont you check your local pound i got my hound mix there and hes got a bark that would keep anyone at bay and if that doesnt work he will hurt you at last resort. But puppys take ALOT of work if you arnt dedicated and dont have alot of time i would not get one.
     
  11. debbiew

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    Airdale's are alot of work. I had a wirefox terrier, which is a miniture of Airdale, and she was sooooo much work. I love dogs, and can't live without them, and she was still alot of work. The coat requires so much plucking, you can't just shave them with shears. Anyway, I am sold out on Labs. I have six children the oldest 16, and the youngest 2. My golden is wonderful, but sold out on my lab. He is now seven months old, and is best friend to my little ones. He is very respectful to their size. A healty lab is also low maintenance. No need for professional grooming etc. The biggest problem I have heard about a lab is they can be destructive (chew and destroy things) in their early years. My boy however, has only chewed one thing in his 7 months of life, and never had an accident in the house. I believe it is the way we have raised him (just like a child). Even though he is already 70 lbs, he lives in the house. We have him crate trained from day one, and kept him on a schedule. At 10 at night we look for Cody, and he is already in his crate with the door wide open. He gets LOTS of exersise. His favorite exercise is jumping on the trampoline with my kids. He loves it. While I don't think he would ever bite anyone, I know he would pull anybodies bluff, if you know what I mean. Cody is truly a gentle giant.
     
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    GDSGregory, I agree with everything you said except the part about getting a game bred pit. I dont think this would be a good choice for a first time dog owner.I would start checking out humane soc. Thats where I found my first dog.She was a great dog and very good watch dog. But again, I would not get a dog just for that reason, I would want a companion that would be loved and taken care of for life.
     
  13. Renee750il

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    Gamba, Darkchild and Corsomom have given you some very excellent advice . . . check out the shelters! It's going to be at least a year and a half before a pup is going to be any protection, and, depending on the breed, that long before it's even a deterrent. Look around in the shelters near you. Think about how much room you have for a dog, how much exercise and playtime you will be able to supply, etc. If you've got a moderate amount of room and a fenced yard, an Australian Shepherd or Aussie mix could be a good match . . .
     
  14. RD

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    Gempress made a good point about most dogs being a deterrent. I still do not know many people who will dare touch my car when my cute, fuzzy, 40lb dog feels like giving them a scare.

    Re: Burglars suing.. that's one of the thing I will not miss if I move to Mexico. That kind of crap just doesn't fly there; if you are bitten by a dog while trespassing, you are to blame - not the dog, not the dog's owners. It will be nice to let my dogs be dogs and not worry about someone pressing charges for their own stupidity.
     
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    We don't have much trouble with that sort of attitude here either, RD. If you're trespassing and get your butt munched by the dog it's pretty much your bad luck . . . Worse luck if the owner's home, lol!
     
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    I wouldn't recommend a APBT, terrier, or guardian breed for a first time owner... and I'd only suggest a lab or a GSD if you had an experienced person to help you find a good breeder and pick the puppy.

    Personally, I'd seriously consider a smaller dog with a "big dog" voice. Many beagles or dachsands sound like they weigh 150 lbs when you're on the other side of the door. They make great alarm systems and are a much more manageable temperament... depending on bloodline, of course. Dachsies can be a bit more dominant, but it still should be relatively easy to find a good one. They also mature quicker, and develop that "warn the pack there's an intruder" instinct sooner than a larger breed.

    I also might consider a Great Pyrenees. They are great with kids, are good guardians, and are laid-back enough that they avoid all-out confrontation unless absolutely necessary. They also shed mountains of white fluff in the spring, and smaller amounts year round. If you seriously consider this breed, though, you ABSOLUTELY need to get him in obedience classes, both for training and for socialization.

    As for bitch vs. dog... In my opinion, bitches tend to protect people while dogs tend to protect territory. Of course, either will be protective when there is a definite threat.

    Beth
     
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    Georgygirl,
    Thats exactly what I meant given that a true game bred animal would be culled if it were to bite a human (at least here in the UK) but nevertheless 90% of "pit bulls" are sadly nowadays "yard dogs" with a distorted temperament which has got the breed a bad reputation.
    Also with hindsight I agree that an APBT is not for everyone but my experience with this breed gave me 2 wonderful child safe easily trained bundles of fun. But they were $2,500 each 16 years ago and were true game bred animals. However I will agree with you that I am probably wrong to suggest this breed when generalising to someone with no experience.
     
  18. Trip

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    If I were going to get a dog for "security" and I didn't want him/her to bite... been down that road unintentionally and they still want to put my dog down and there is now a muzzle order... I would get a fierce looking noise making dog with a reputation... A pit bull or a rotti are both lovable dogs, sweet to no end to their families but what person in their right mind would break into a home with one, esp if you get an alarm sticker ( don't need the alarm system if too expensive, sticker is a deterrent, also lots of guard dog on duty signs) also they have mock security cameras you can buy or you can make your own. Don't get a dog solely for the reason of home security... it's a nice perk but shouldn't be the main reason... dogs are companion animals, if you want a companion first and a security measure second, then by all means get one with a rep... my best friend has a pit bull and a rotti (not for security, rescues from a pound) and no one would even think of breaking into their house because you can tell by the bark that they mean business... all told any dog, even a med to small dog can be a noisemaker, which is really all you need. If you don't really want a dog, a security system, or just the sticker, good locks and beware of dog signs are pretty good deterrents. Sorry you got me in my education, didn't mean to hold forth...
     
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    I don't know about where you live, but here you should NOT get a "Beware of Dog" sign if you have a dog.

    It's considered admission that you have an aggressive, dangerous dog.

    Beth
     
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    I live in Ont, Canada... I had to get one with the muzzle when my dog jumped someone making a delivery when they walked into my house unannounced, hence the been down that road thing...however if you don't have a dog or you have a dog that isn't aggresive it won't be a risk... it' does warn that if you are on premises and aren't supposed to be then there could be consequences. I stand by my theory that if your wanting a dog just for security, and not companionship, a sign and sticker for the windows, works quite well.
     

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