Red, Grammy, Galliens . . . I'd really like to thank you for all of the help and advice you've given so freely here, and thank Mach1 for caring enough to ask. I've learned TONS just from this thread! And yes, I still wish Charley didn't want a litter from each of The Grrrrls . . . I am sooooo dreading it - but you all are such a wealth of experience and guidance!