What dog breed is right for us?

Discussion in 'The Dog Breeds' started by nwfn, Jul 16, 2008.

  1. Labra

    Labra New Member

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    Right, so you are home ALL day, but you can't be bothered to get off your butt and walk the dog? why? it doesn't take much effort to strap a leash on and walk for 20 minutes. I really don't get people with this mentality. If you want an animal you don't have to walk, get a CAT! or even better, a hamster. You can keep one of those in a cage.

    Seriously...what a joke. Having a backyard is NO excuse not to exercise your dog. Letting it run around by itself for 10 minutes a day isn't exercise...it is a lazy persons way out. If you get a dog, I will seriously feel sorry for it.
     
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    i disagree, the english sparrow and the starling have been competeing w/ native small birds for over 200 years, but i freely admit they don't help the situation. but the dramatic decline has only occurred in the last 40 years (primarily the last 20) since raptors became fully protected and killing excess feral/stray cats became politically (and in some places legally) unacceptable. that timing also coincides w/ the institution of "clean" farming practices that eliminated the edge cover needed by many small species. it also coincides w/ the rise of the "green" movement & their effort to end clearcut logging instead of rotational harvesting to maintain the variety of successional habitat. developement has only been a major problem in the last ten years but has had a disproportionate effect. i also disagree about the edges allowing access by predatory and parasitic species. for one the fur boom of the late 70s & 80s cut raccoon & other furbearing predators dramatically by more than 70% in some places. but the small birds & mammals didn't recover in this period because the raccoons were replaced by feral/stray whose population swelled in proportion to the losses among native predators/furbearers. this was also the period during which raptors made their most significant growth & recovery. additionally a cowbird can go pretty much anywhere a cardinal can go and raccoons aren't far off from that. species survive on volume, if they don't have habitat to live they can't produce an adequate volume. if they are overpredated they can't replace their losses. no one factor is great enough to do all the damge by itself except habitat loss, however if done slowly enough the species can adapt and survive effectively. the problem is the habitat loss isn't slow enough and compounds the effect of the other threats.
    i think we're on the same track just nitpicking over details.
     
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    Anybody else notice that the OP's been gone for almost three months?

    I don't think he's gonna hear ya.
     
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    Bahamutt99 Dafuq?

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    It's all ufimych's fault for resurrecting this thread from the dead!
     
  6. ihartgonzo

    ihartgonzo and Fozzie B!

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    I had not noticed that Ufymich was from a country that used to be part of the soviet union... regardless, that's my feelings on the issue.

    I just don't see it as humane, to allow your dog to hunt down and kill "stray cats". Any one of those cats could be lost pets, for all they know. And the answer to overpopulation is not allowing hunting dogs to run free and kill them. It just seems hypocritical to say it's fine that stray cats are killed for fun - but birds being killed is an atrocity. I don't agree with allowing cats to run free, at all, but that doesn't devalue the cat's lives.
     
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    you're basically saying the NATIVE smallbirds are less important than the NONNATIVE feral cats. as a conservationist (which most dog hunters are) i disagree. when one must weigh the relative value of two different species in an environment the native one, even when repulsive must ethically always take precedence. since hunters & trappers spend more time actively trying to help acheive the mythical balance that AR whackos are so fond of. allowing your dog to hunt stray and feral cats is morally no different than hunting raccoons, foxes, or coyotes. is it fun yes but the primary goal of such hunting is to keep predator populations within the carry capacity of the prey base or in the case of nonnative invasive species to eradicate them to assist the recovery and growth of native wildlife species. so yes I choose to consider the lives of the many as more valuable than the few. there is absolutey nothing hypocritical in my stance. if it were up to me there would be a bounty on starlings & english sparrows as well. and i actively persue wild boar because they are a highly destructive non native invasive species.
    i know for a fact the overwhelming majority of stray/feral cats in my area aren't lost but abandoned. i've carried dozens of tame abandoned cats to the pound ( yes i am sure most were put down).
    lastly hunting dogs can't hunt very well tied down on a leash, so they pretty much have to run free.
     

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