What do you guys think of this breeder?

[Zhucca]

No, I'm not getting a pit bull. I found him via a ad on kijiji (basically like craigslist) However, with all the razor edge hippos on kijiji this guy is a refreshment..

www.sinnomacoastkennel.com

I like his female China.. love the ears! Never was a fan of pit bulls getting their ears cropped.

 

[bubbatd]

Lovely Mom !!! I just wonder why they are still available at that age .........not impressed with her using a plastic pool for the whelp !

 

[Zoom]

...eh. Decent enough, I guess. Very heavy on the Razor's Edge lines though and it shows, IMO. They do seem to be trying very hard, which is nice.

 

[Maxy24]

I like everything they do, they work, they show, they health test (and are honest, I saw one dog with fair hips, so they are not only showing results on excellent dogs) almost all dogs have their CGC. I do have to agree that I don't love the looks of some of the dogs, they seem kinda "big" if you know what i mean (at least the males) but nothing I'm appalled at (not that I know much about APBT conformation) like big bowed legs or their chest being no further off the ground than a can of soda, OR them being the size of a large breed dog.

 

[Boemy]

Something about their build just looks . . . odd to me. But I'm no expert. They're doing CERF and OFA testing, though, which is great. I love China's ears.

 

[ma-vie-en-vert]

China is so pretty!!! It sucks about their other female who got the ear infection.

First thing that jumped out at me is they are very honest. That's good to see.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

plastic pools are used by many breeders, I have used one myself...they are handy, cheap and work well to prevent squishing...the graduated sides are really top notch for that purpose. In short...don't knock it too hard...lol.

 

[bubbatd]

Sorry to say that a litter Bubba sired used one and the pick of the litter was squished . I warned her , but she thought it was safe . Whelping pens need roll bars !!!

 

[HoundedByHounds]

and I lost 2 pups in a pen with bars Grammy...so I guess that'd be even. Point is...you watch your bitch and you don't allow a pen to give you a false sense of security.

 

[Miakoda]

The dogs are still RE dogs. No matter what, Dave Wilson (the founder), said in his own words that the RE line was developed by crossing the APBT with other breeds. So now matter what they look like, it's what they really are...and are not...that matters.

Eh, many of the dogs on the ancestor's page make me wanna pukie. Here's the deal: If you have an APBT and in that 7-generation pedigree you have 3 dogs that are [English] Bulldog or Neo Mastiff mixes, is your dog still an "APBT"?

I think it's great they are showing the dogs. But showing doesn't equal breeding rights. And personally, I'm not a fan of breeding a dog with "fair" hips...especially when chances are the other dog has not been OFA'd. In fact, if I had the perfect working dog who had fair hips, I would ONLY breed to a dog with excellent hips and I'd be culling hard.

But if you're asking for opinions, they are much better than the average breeder, but no, it's not someone I would ever get a dog from.

(& I'm not even going to comment on that asinine $1,000 stud fee when the dog has proven nothing to me)

 

[Squishy22]

The dogs are still RE dogs. No matter what, Dave Wilson (the founder), said in his own words that the RE line was developed by crossing the APBT with other breeds. So now matter what they look like, it's what they really are...and are not...that matters.

Eh, many of the dogs on the ancestor's page make me wanna pukie. Here's the deal: If you have an APBT and in that 7-generation pedigree you have 3 dogs that are [English] Bulldog or Neo Mastiff mixes, is your dog still an "APBT"?

I think it's great they are showing the dogs. But showing doesn't equal breeding rights. And personally, I'm not a fan of breeding a dog with "fair" hips...especially when chances are the other dog has not been OFA'd. In fact, if I had the perfect working dog who had fair hips, I would ONLY breed to a dog with excellent hips and I'd be culling hard.

But if you're asking for opinions, they are much better than the average breeder, but no, it's not someone I would ever get a dog from.

(& I'm not even going to comment on that asinine $1,000 stud fee when the dog has proven nothing to me)

:hail:

Good point. If I'm out to buy an APBT, I want an APBT, not a dog who is is part mastiff and english bulldog. I hate seeing that bloodline (along with many others) no matter what the dog looks like or how much health testing and showing they do.

The males definitely look too heavy for my tastes.

I will say that they are better than 90% of the APBT breeders out there who use that particular bloodline. The dogs dont look deformed, so thats a plus.

 

[Bahamutt99]

And personally, I'm not a fan of breeding a dog with "fair" hips...especially when chances are the other dog has not been OFA'd. In fact, if I had the perfect working dog who had fair hips, I would ONLY breed to a dog with excellent hips and I'd be culling hard.

Mia, in fairness, do you know just how few of our breed have excellent hips? At least in terms of OFA ratings? 5.7% according to their records. Compared to almost 24% dysplastic. I personally would not like to see Fair x Fair, but Fair is still passing.

To the OP, I was not impressed with that breeder in terms of what I personally look for. I don't like the blue x blue breedings, and am concerned that they seem to have a color bias. But compared to what is available today, they title and health-test, and they are honest. That speaks quite a bit to their character. I would like to see more titling -- specifically working titles -- before the dogs are bred. But I would place them in the short list of breeders worth a second look, if you like the type of dog they're producing.

 

[Miakoda]

I personally would not like to see Fair x Fair, but Fair is still passing.

But how many "just passings" are we going to allow? Fair to Fair to Fair to Fair isn't going to help these dogs.

Now, I don't OFA my dogs now nor have I never done so. Not because I'm against it, but rather because I have 8 vets at my disposal, 1 being a board certified orthopedic surgeon, to give me their opinions on hips & elbows. And since I don't sell dogs nor do I breed for anyone else other than myself, I've never had the reason to pay to have them OFA'd.

And as for the "fair" hips, I'm much more lenient if the dog is a proven working dog vs. some dog that has done nothing but parade around a showring and Champion out before it's even fully matured (when future issues could arise). A proven hunting dog with fair hips is a much hotter commodity to me than a showdog with fair hips.

 

[Dekka]

Wouldn't dogs doing weightpull be 'working' those hips?

Personally I wouldn't throw away all the dogs with fair hips if thats what you've got. You are better to breed all the ones with fair hips for a while then when you have lots of dogs with fair and excellent then start the rigorous culling. Otherwise you risk a genetic bottleneck which is far worse than fair hips.

Not saying anything on the lines (don't know anything about them) BUT looking at the girls they seem like nice balanced dogs. Not as nice as many I see here on chaz but a heck of a lot better than what I see out there in general. They looked like nice athletic dogs who's breeders are working hard at doing good for their dogs.

And I have no issues with 'other breeds' in my animals. Maybe it stems from my horse background... A little (stress little) cross breeding is a very good thing for most pure bred dogs. I would rather have something that has a touch of something else back there than something that is pure from waaayyy back.

 

[Bahamutt99]

But how many "just passings" are we going to allow? Fair to Fair to Fair to Fair isn't going to help these dogs.

Now, I don't OFA my dogs now nor have I never done so.

You just outlined part of the problem. We can't even bitch about fair x fair breedings -- even though I said I would prefer not to see it done -- if most people aren't going to OFA their dogs anyway! You and I have shared board space with some of the most vocal anti-health-testers. Are we really supposed to rely on the 5.7 or whatever percent who are OFAed as excellent? What if only .2% of them were available at public stud? Where are people supposed to find dogs to breed to that have excellent hips if the folks who have supreme confidence in their dogs' health wont even test?

And as for the "fair" hips, I'm much more lenient if the dog is a proven working dog vs. some dog that has done nothing but parade around a showring and Champion out before it's even fully matured (when future issues could arise). A proven hunting dog with fair hips is a much hotter commodity to me than a showdog with fair hips.

I know of a dog who was a bad (and I mean good bad, not bad bad) pulling dog before she failed her OFA for laxity in a hip socket. It really doesn't prove anything. Considering how long dogs have to "fight" the pig if we're talking about hog hunting, one could argue that that's not a real test of hip health either, especially since the dogs are operating in a high state of drive and would be prone to ignoring pain, just like they would in the pit.

Wouldn't dogs doing weightpull be 'working' those hips?

I didn't even see your post when I was replying to Mia, but I cited an example of a dog who was a good puller and then failed OFA. Weight pull isn't really a hip test, and neither his hunting. These dogs have an incredible pain threshhold when it's something they want.