What breed is my dog?

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  1. Farawr

    Farawr New Member

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    When we addopted her the shelter couldnt tell if she was a Treeing Walker Coonhound or a Foxhound......this is my first time owning a Coonhound and my mom as owned Beagles so i am not sure D;

    so what do you think?

    any information is welcomed...thankies ;D

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  2. MicksMom

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    what you have is a nice fat hound what kind is anyone's guess. there are folks who can look at a hound and tell you the line & sometimes breeder they came from but i'm not one of them. i'm a little better on some of the curs & bulldogs but not hounds.
     
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    She actually isnt a Harrier cause i asked my vet and he said that she is too tall to be a harrier, but he couldnt tell me if she was a foxhound or coonhound...D;
     
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    id say a fox hound if i had to choose
    she doesnt seem jowly enough to be a coonhound...
    however she could easily be a mix of both!
     
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    No idea but she sure is pretty,

    I would honestly take that advice with a grain of salt. Unless your vet is a harrier owner, breeder, shower or judge. As vets do not know everything there is to know (much like a human doctor) espeacially about dog breeds.
     
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    I'm not a hound person, so I have no idea...

    But she sure is lovely!!! Congrats on the new family member!!! Keep us posted with lots of pics please!

    Also, I'd have to agree with Tankstar, vets are trained in general animal wellness. They don't really get much training in specific breeds... so unless s/he was a harrier fancier and very active with the breed... s/he may not be the best person to take "breed" related advice from.
     
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    american foxhounds are an amalgamation of hounds brought over from europe (mostly britain, ireland & france). this blend is the source all the coonhounds stem from. so EVERY conformation you find in a coonhound WILL be found in a foxhound. only people familiar enough to spot specific lines can tell for sure. coonhound & foxhounds are just names as both are used to hunt a variety of game from hares to hogs to cat (big & small) to coon. if it doesn't fly hounds hunt it or have in rescent history.
     
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    She's too big to be a Harrier but I really can't tell if she is a Treeing Walker or a Foxhound. Whichever she is she has the most gorgeous, shiny coat!
     
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    How is she too tall to be a Harrier when they are the smallest of the 3 breeds you listed? :confused:

    From the links MicksMom posted:

    Foxhound:
    Treeing Walker Coonhound:
    Harrier:
     
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    Thanks for the information and compliments... o-o I gotta do more research on this but i just wanted some opinions.... Thanx for the information ;D
     
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    I found a great page showing photos of Harriers, American Foxhounds, and English Foxhounds. You can see how similar Harriers are to English Foxhounds except for the size difference. Treeing Walkers are built similarly to American Foxhounds, leggier and leaner. Bear in mind that these are showdogs. Dogs from hunting stock may express far more variables.


    Harrier Compaired
     
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    I say Foxhound. Doesn't seem droopy enough in the face to be a Coonhound.

    Honestly, when in doubt, I always find it useful to compare with Google images on the search engine of each breed. :)
     
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    I believe she is a Walker. In my experience, Beagle, Harrier, and Foxhound ears are all parallel to the face. Walker ears tip in to the face like they want to spiral when the hound is relaxed, the same way hers do. You can check those google images and take a close look at this detail. I have yet to see a pure foxhound with ears that tip in like her do.

    Incidentally, the Harrier is one of the rarest breeds in the US. When I hear hoofbeats, I don't look for Zebras.

    And, she has a very pretty face.
     
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    y'all need to look at american cooner, coonhound bloodlines & full cry magazines. there are a ton of coonhounds w/o any "droopy" face or ears. the whole point is that unless you have the experience to spot the actual lines you can't really tell. you can have a harrier size dog that is 100% coonhound, 100% foxhound, 50/50 beagle/big hound mix or some combination of these. seriously how many people here can tell the difference between a nance & a lipper line treeing walker or or even just the difference between july, trigg & goodman american foxhounds. all our coonhound breeds come from the different general purpose hounds brought to this country primarily to hunt fox (not all were considered foxhounds). the divergence of the breeds as coonhounds & foxhounds was because people interested in hunting a specific animal preferred to breed to hounds that excelled at that particular game. even today cat hunters & bear hunters want pups from dogs that excell at these jobs even though the dogs themselves are registered as coon hounds & foxhounds. what this means is that show standards that try to differentiate between them are really just written around a small portion of the breedsand don't really represent the whole. so you can't look at a show ring champion and say they all look about like that.

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    drmom a walker IS a foxhound (well a running walker is).
     
  16. tessa_s212

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    The thing about coonhounds is that it is the show bred dogs that often have the really excessively droopy ears. Dogs bred by either BYBs or for hunting usually have a longer length of ear, but only a length sufficient for the job, instead of the excessiveness seen in show dogs.

    And,... she could always be a mix of different hound breeds as well. But all I know is her ears and overall don't scream "foxhound" nor "harrier" to me.. and just because they are such rare breeds,.. my guess is treeing walker coonhound.
     
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    thats just it tessa if you look at the mags i mentioned you'll see a TON of pure coonhounds w/short ears (short enough most here would say they are mixed w/ a nonhound breed) & all of them huntbred cat, coon & bear finding machines.
    i get to see dozens of treeing walkers run bear every year right down the road and most of them do not have the extra long hound ears that everyone thinks they have. there are only two breeds that have really long ears the blue Gascogne and the Majestic (which isn't properly a breed yet just bloodhoundXother hound) on the other hand the goodman american foxhounds tend to have long ears.
    all that can really be said is that she definitely has a fat happy hound.
     
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    A Walker is not a foxhound. The Treeing Walker Coonhound is an offshoot of the English Coonhound, as is the Bluetick Coonhound. None of these dogs are foxhounds and have not been for over two hundred years. Foxhounds are pack hounds used to hunt foxes with horses.

    And, Tessa, I have just been looking at recent UKC bench show results, and the winning dogs' ears are not very large. They are no larger than this dog's or Uncle Fred's. I think you may be thinking specifically of show bred AKC Black and Tan Coonhounds, which are so far from being actual coonhounds anymore that they don't count.
     
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  19. tessa_s212

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    UKC treeing walker coonhounds are the ones I was referring to when I said those bred by hunters having shorter ears than one might typically expect on a coonhound. (Basically, someone said his ears weren't long enough, and I imagine that person had the black and tan in mind, in which I refuted that to say that walkers have shorter ears, especially when bred by hunters rather than for purely show purposes).
     
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    you might want to check out the hunter's horn magazine, MOST foxhounds are not run in large packs to horses. by your definition the trigg, july, calhoun & goodman are not foxhounds & yet shockingly all are registered as american foxhounds w/ the UKC (although the standard foxhound studbook registers them by line & percentage).
    the running walker is a foxhound commonly used to run fox, coyote & deer. when hunted on fox it is commonly run solo or in braces while the hunter attempts to get in front of the run and shoot the fox OR it is run in larger packs for competition & "pleasure" while the hunters sit around the fire listening to the hound music. these manners of hunting are also commonly used w/ the july, trigg, & goodman (the calhoun was never a competition dog).
    the running walker foxhound is the base blood from which the treeing walker was developed based on an infusion of blood from tennesse lead. theoretically the lead blood is what seperates the treeing lines from the running lines (but lead blooded dogs are in the line even after they were officially seperated).
     

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