I think you still need major research on dogs, you need to work in rescue to understand the points you made were unvalid.
A boxer fits all your needs minus a small % they are NOT the best for serious protection.
Another option would be a Cane Corso but again based on your posts you are not ready for a Corso ( adult).
Your original post was great your answer to me was a bit non researched.
Here is a link to Boxer doing Protection
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/Frabo_2006/Preston2.jpg?t=1182552512&SSImageQuality
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/Frabo_2006/Preston1.jpg?t=1182552647&SSImageQuality=Full
A boxer fits all your needs minus a small % they are NOT the best for serious protection.
Another option would be a Cane Corso but again based on your posts you are not ready for a Corso ( adult).
Your original post was great your answer to me was a bit non researched.
Here is a link to Boxer doing Protection
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/Frabo_2006/Preston2.jpg?t=1182552512&SSImageQuality
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/Frabo_2006/Preston1.jpg?t=1182552647&SSImageQuality=Full
Working livestock dogs should NOT be dog aggressive.
They are dog dominant.
I have a pack of 13 and can mix intact males together with the sheep with females ( Minus heat cycles).
LGdS defense drives allows them to kill Coyotes and Coy dogs .
But they can live fine with other dogs if they come from lines proven to work.
They are dog dominant.
I have a pack of 13 and can mix intact males together with the sheep with females ( Minus heat cycles).
LGdS defense drives allows them to kill Coyotes and Coy dogs .
But they can live fine with other dogs if they come from lines proven to work.
Black dog I dont cut and paste cause it is a bit to debative.
You did not post it someone else did.
Visit a UKC show they are easier to get into but not easy to find.
Most breeder there will be able to help you and show you what working dogs that show can do.
http://www.ukcdogs.com
You did not post it someone else did.
Visit a UKC show they are easier to get into but not easy to find.
Most breeder there will be able to help you and show you what working dogs that show can do.
http://www.ukcdogs.com
we have lots of sheep farms around, and lots of protection dogs, pyrs, akbash, mareemas etc. They are dog aggressive with dogs they don't know. I can't take my dogs down the road for a walk. But the one farm had 100 lambs killed by coyotes one year. Since the dogs there have been very few. Now yes they have multiple dogs living out with the sheep to cover the 300+ acres (in case the herd splits) they are fine together. But heaven forbid a strange dog strays into their territory! They take the sheep protection business seriously.
Black dog>> I did read your posts. I asked why do you feel threatened, meaning in RL. Not here on the forum. If you feel threatened on a forum, where we are all trying to help you, cause we care
maybe you need to relax a little and try not to feel so defensive.
Black dog>> I did read your posts. I asked why do you feel threatened, meaning in RL. Not here on the forum. If you feel threatened on a forum, where we are all trying to help you, cause we care
maybe you need to relax a little and try not to feel so defensive.
Wow, people, she wanted breed suggestions. Not to tell her life story. I sometimes feel the need for a larger dog that could protect me if I needed it, it doesn't mean I'm a drug dealer or being hunted by serial killers.
That being said, I think a working-bred LGD is a bit overkill for apartment security, and indeed. But when did Blackdog insist on a LGD?
To 99% of people who try to mess with someone, a growling/barking dog is enough to make them reconsider and pick another target. People keep their distance at night when I'm walking with my border collies (weighing in at a massive 65lbs COMBINED), even when the dogs aren't doing anything but walking alongside me. So any dog will provide SOME security.
That being said, I think a working-bred LGD is a bit overkill for apartment security, and indeed. But when did Blackdog insist on a LGD?
To 99% of people who try to mess with someone, a growling/barking dog is enough to make them reconsider and pick another target. People keep their distance at night when I'm walking with my border collies (weighing in at a massive 65lbs COMBINED), even when the dogs aren't doing anything but walking alongside me. So any dog will provide SOME security.
Cant hijack the thread by posting definations of terms.
I will post a new thread next week with dog aggression dogs bred to fight vs lgds dogs bred to protect.
Sometimes the more time you spend trying to convince someone to stay away from certain breeds or groups of breeds-It backfires.
Normally when i give suggestions we find a happy medium in another breed of dog . After I suggest that a LGD is NOT good for them.
Ive helped sell many Fila, Cane Corso and RR by doing this.
LGDS are nuisance barkers not good for aparts.
I will post a new thread next week with dog aggression dogs bred to fight vs lgds dogs bred to protect.
Sometimes the more time you spend trying to convince someone to stay away from certain breeds or groups of breeds-It backfires.
Normally when i give suggestions we find a happy medium in another breed of dog . After I suggest that a LGD is NOT good for them.
Ive helped sell many Fila, Cane Corso and RR by doing this.
LGDS are nuisance barkers not good for aparts.
She seems to want something that will attack a human if needed. I was just trying to find out why she felt the need to have a dog that is capable and willing to kill a human? If she has a real need (stalker) there are breeder who will supply you with a dog and train it for you for protection. This is a huge investment in time and money. This is not a pet. But on the other hand she seems to want a pet that is good with other dogs and people. So I guess I am just confused as to what the OP really wants.
I personally find it scary when I know a dog will bite humans. I own JRTs now yes they are small, but I have reason to know they will bite a scary man who walked up my driveway. But then Toby went on to bite any white haired man who walked (they could drive in) up the driveway for the rest of his life. Maybe its me lacking in fear of my neighbourhood. I just don't see the need for a furry weapon without good reason (but then again I don't get why Americans have guns in their houses either)
I personally find it scary when I know a dog will bite humans. I own JRTs now yes they are small, but I have reason to know they will bite a scary man who walked up my driveway. But then Toby went on to bite any white haired man who walked (they could drive in) up the driveway for the rest of his life. Maybe its me lacking in fear of my neighbourhood. I just don't see the need for a furry weapon without good reason (but then again I don't get why Americans have guns in their houses either)
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I am assuming RL means real life.
Because of my size (or lack of), the city I'm moving to, the fact that I'll be living alone, etc...
I only got defensive when I had explained myself already but the questions never ended. The the same questions over and over and all information that I already knew was being thrown at me assuming I didn't know it, when I was trying to make the point that I did.
Because of my size (or lack of), the city I'm moving to, the fact that I'll be living alone, etc...
If you feel threatened on a forum, where we are all trying to help you, cause we care maybe you need to relax a little and try not to feel so defensive.
maybe you need to relax a little and try not to feel so defensive.
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Never once did I say that I wanted a dog to kill a human!! I said I wanted a dog capable of protecting me/guarding me if needed. Big difference!!!
I want a dog that is good with other animals and people when they are invited inside by me. When they aren't invited inside, I want the type of dog that will not let a person come in. That doesn't mean I want a attack dog. It means I want a dog who can think through a situation and not let a intrudor enter without me being there. A dog who will growl/bark/block the way in, scare the person off before ever bitting, BUT if someone every did get in I want a dog *capable* of protecting me.
I want a dog that is good with other animals and people when they are invited inside by me. When they aren't invited inside, I want the type of dog that will not let a person come in. That doesn't mean I want a attack dog. It means I want a dog who can think through a situation and not let a intrudor enter without me being there. A dog who will growl/bark/block the way in, scare the person off before ever bitting, BUT if someone every did get in I want a dog *capable* of protecting me.
Think it would be best to agree to dissagree.
Being from a big city ive learned to say to each is own and mean it.
Untill someone has walked in that person shoes they can not really judge.
One last suggestion is many OLD dogs like 7. 9 13 of many breeds need a last home and they can even be a LGD or a Mastiff.
A dog that needs that last remaining home.
That will protect but is past the years of the trouble 2's and all that barking and is more mellow now and possibly comes obedience trained.
A very special dog could be waiting for you that would love to be a couch potato for you and big enough to pose a threat to a intruder.
Find a few breeds you like visit the breeders and make friends.
have them put you on just in case you get that special old gal or dog that needs his final resting place.
At least after 5 or more years when this one passes you may have the house to get a younger dog.
Very few people are special enough to take a dog knowing its life is half over.
I hope you are one of those special people.
Being from a big city ive learned to say to each is own and mean it.
Untill someone has walked in that person shoes they can not really judge.
One last suggestion is many OLD dogs like 7. 9 13 of many breeds need a last home and they can even be a LGD or a Mastiff.
A dog that needs that last remaining home.
That will protect but is past the years of the trouble 2's and all that barking and is more mellow now and possibly comes obedience trained.
A very special dog could be waiting for you that would love to be a couch potato for you and big enough to pose a threat to a intruder.
Find a few breeds you like visit the breeders and make friends.
have them put you on just in case you get that special old gal or dog that needs his final resting place.
At least after 5 or more years when this one passes you may have the house to get a younger dog.
Very few people are special enough to take a dog knowing its life is half over.
I hope you are one of those special people.
I might as well post on this topic - I was staying away from it, but what the heck, might as well...
I live alone. I'm small, female, and I live in an apartment, in a college town (I have to... I'm going to college!). My SO does not live with me, as he is going to college elsewhere.
I have two Dobermans. They are pets first and foremost, but they are also my protectors - and have proven themselves in this regard.
Situation #1: Someone robbed a neighboring house, and was caught in the act - he ran. He saw my family's house, and decided that it looked like a great place to hide... but Ilsa disagreed. She cornered that criminal in our living room, backed him into a corner - until the police arrived to arrest him. What could have happened if Ilsa hadn't been there? Would he have seen me (I was alone in the house) and ran away? Would he attack me? Luckily we didn't find out, thanks to my Doberman.
Situation #2: I was biking, late at night. I'm a full time student and also hold a nearly full-time job, so that was the only time that day I could get out and exercise. I had brought Ronin with me. About midway through the ride, a man ran at my bike from the darkness, and tried to push me off my bike. Ronin swung around (I accidentally hit him square int he chest with my bike in the process), let out a roar, and nearly took the guy's face off. He yelled something like, "Sh*t, I didn't know you had a DOG!" and ran off. What would he have done if my Doberman hadn't been with me - would he have pushed me off my bike, laughed, and went on his merry way? Would he have robbed me? Would he have raped me? Thanks to my Doberman, we didn't have to find out.
Situation #3: I was in the bathroom, both dogs were loose in the apartment. My sliding glass door was open, because my SO was coming over and he doesn't have a key (my landlord only issues one key per tenant, and I'm the only tenant). Someone walked into my apartment... but it wasn't my SO. It was a stranger - my dogs immediately backed him into a corner, snarling and barking. I came out to see what the ruckus was, and found this *strange man* in my apartment! I asked him what the heck he was doing there, and he made some lame excuse as to why he'd walked into my apartment without knocking. I told him to leave, and told my dogs to let him go... and instead of backing outside, the guy took a quick step toward me. Ronin leapt forward and again, nearly took the guy's face off. If I hadn't been holding tight to his collar, he would have bitten the intruder. Now... if it hadn't been for my protectors, what would that guy have done? Would he have robbed me? Would he have raped me? Would he have killed me? Luckily, my Dobermans saw to it that I didn't have to find out the hard way.
It's easy for people who either live with their spouses or parents to say there's no need for this young woman (BlackDog) to have a dog that can protect her. But I'm in her shoes - I share her situation - and if it wasn't for my dogs, dogs that have proven that they're ready and willing to bite the bad guys - I might not be here to be typing this.
Luckily, my dogs aren't attacking machines - they are bold enough to back a bad guy into a corner and HOLD him there - I can't think of many watchdogs that have the courage to hold an aggressor for more than a few seconds. In both holding situations, the dogs held the bad guy in a corner for more than 1-2 minutes before I came to investigate.
I live alone. I'm small, female, and I live in an apartment, in a college town (I have to... I'm going to college!). My SO does not live with me, as he is going to college elsewhere.
I have two Dobermans. They are pets first and foremost, but they are also my protectors - and have proven themselves in this regard.
Situation #1: Someone robbed a neighboring house, and was caught in the act - he ran. He saw my family's house, and decided that it looked like a great place to hide... but Ilsa disagreed. She cornered that criminal in our living room, backed him into a corner - until the police arrived to arrest him. What could have happened if Ilsa hadn't been there? Would he have seen me (I was alone in the house) and ran away? Would he attack me? Luckily we didn't find out, thanks to my Doberman.
Situation #2: I was biking, late at night. I'm a full time student and also hold a nearly full-time job, so that was the only time that day I could get out and exercise. I had brought Ronin with me. About midway through the ride, a man ran at my bike from the darkness, and tried to push me off my bike. Ronin swung around (I accidentally hit him square int he chest with my bike in the process), let out a roar, and nearly took the guy's face off. He yelled something like, "Sh*t, I didn't know you had a DOG!" and ran off. What would he have done if my Doberman hadn't been with me - would he have pushed me off my bike, laughed, and went on his merry way? Would he have robbed me? Would he have raped me? Thanks to my Doberman, we didn't have to find out.
Situation #3: I was in the bathroom, both dogs were loose in the apartment. My sliding glass door was open, because my SO was coming over and he doesn't have a key (my landlord only issues one key per tenant, and I'm the only tenant). Someone walked into my apartment... but it wasn't my SO. It was a stranger - my dogs immediately backed him into a corner, snarling and barking. I came out to see what the ruckus was, and found this *strange man* in my apartment! I asked him what the heck he was doing there, and he made some lame excuse as to why he'd walked into my apartment without knocking. I told him to leave, and told my dogs to let him go... and instead of backing outside, the guy took a quick step toward me. Ronin leapt forward and again, nearly took the guy's face off. If I hadn't been holding tight to his collar, he would have bitten the intruder. Now... if it hadn't been for my protectors, what would that guy have done? Would he have robbed me? Would he have raped me? Would he have killed me? Luckily, my Dobermans saw to it that I didn't have to find out the hard way.
It's easy for people who either live with their spouses or parents to say there's no need for this young woman (BlackDog) to have a dog that can protect her. But I'm in her shoes - I share her situation - and if it wasn't for my dogs, dogs that have proven that they're ready and willing to bite the bad guys - I might not be here to be typing this.
Luckily, my dogs aren't attacking machines - they are bold enough to back a bad guy into a corner and HOLD him there - I can't think of many watchdogs that have the courage to hold an aggressor for more than a few seconds. In both holding situations, the dogs held the bad guy in a corner for more than 1-2 minutes before I came to investigate.
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I haven't really read through the thread, but wanted to say something (as usual, ignore me if I'm repeating or am totally off-topic by this page):
Most dogs will not naturally protect.
My Greyhound will not let anyone into my room at night. If he sees something odd outside at night he will stand at the glass door and growl. If someone tries to come into my room they will be met with a full lip-back snarl, foam, snap routine. This is an amazing show, and frankly all that most people need in a dog. Would he ever bite for real? I don't think so.
My Mike (RIP) on the other hand was very different. Wally was the first level of protection. Mike would let anyone in. BUT if they threatened me then they would be having to deal with a VERY protective Mike.
Teeny is JUST starting to show her protective side. She is alerting to new people coming in. More to come as she grows up.
I work with personal protection dogs. Most dogs will not ACTUALLY protect until trained to do so. There are a few dogs who will, but even then it is far safer to have them trained than to just go with the crapshoot of their own free will. I would never just get a dog and expect it to protect me. I would work VERY hard on training it in personal protection to be sure that I would not be in danger.
Mike was my constant companion and I miss the feeling of safety I had with him around on at least a daily basis.
Most dogs will not naturally protect.
My Greyhound will not let anyone into my room at night. If he sees something odd outside at night he will stand at the glass door and growl. If someone tries to come into my room they will be met with a full lip-back snarl, foam, snap routine. This is an amazing show, and frankly all that most people need in a dog. Would he ever bite for real? I don't think so.
My Mike (RIP) on the other hand was very different. Wally was the first level of protection. Mike would let anyone in. BUT if they threatened me then they would be having to deal with a VERY protective Mike.
Teeny is JUST starting to show her protective side. She is alerting to new people coming in. More to come as she grows up.
I work with personal protection dogs. Most dogs will not ACTUALLY protect until trained to do so. There are a few dogs who will, but even then it is far safer to have them trained than to just go with the crapshoot of their own free will. I would never just get a dog and expect it to protect me. I would work VERY hard on training it in personal protection to be sure that I would not be in danger.
Mike was my constant companion and I miss the feeling of safety I had with him around on at least a daily basis.
I think a lot of dog have a tendency to be people protective, she does not want an attack dog she want a dog that will most likely at least growl and bark at some weirdo who walks into her house uninvited with less that good intentions. I've heard Standard Schnauzers are good for this but as far as your other requirements I don't think they fit, I'm just using them as a guarding example. I have to agree though that almost any dog will defend it's owner. My dog who loved everybody he meant and had excitement pee every time he met someone would still raise hackles and grow or bark if some person he didn't know was walking around in the yard. My uncles friend was walking in the yard and did not come to the door, he was wandering and looking around so Max growled to alert us he was there. One time me and my brothers were home alone at night and we were in the living room, Max was standing at the window growling his head off staring at the window with his hackles raised. No one else did so I opened the shades and some guys face was right in the window. I flipped out and then of course Uncle runs in the front door laughing his head off for scaring me
One time Max was home alone and my Uncle wanted to see what Max would do if he thought there was an intruder so he very quietly walked in the door and slinked along the walls being as quiet as possible. Uncle heard Max come up the stairs and stop at the hall between the stairs and kitchen. Uncle quickly looked around the corner (He was around a corner on the other side of the kitchen) and saw Max with his head looking around the corner scanning the kitchen. Uncle started to make little noises and Max started growling and barking and charged into the kitchen. Of course then Uncle came out and said Hi Maxy and gave him pets and hugs for being a good guard dog and also so he didn't feel the need to fear Uncle.
When we were on vacation down the cape he flipped out in the middle of the night because a group of drunk teens were going through out yard on the way to a party. Now in every day life Max NEVER barked. He did have a protective breed in him but he was a very friendly dog. He was half Shar-Pei half who knows (maybe Great Dane).
I think even if most dogs won't protect you with a full on attack or cornering the sound of a deep loud bark is just as good as any alarm system...with teeth. A lot of people have Great Danes who might not have a lick of protection ability but just because of their size someone will not break in just in case this dog is protective, they would have no chance.
I'd say almost any dog will protect you, many but not all will protect the home and a few will attack an intruder. I can think of very few that would not at least alert you to a person. Of course living in an apartment that could be a problem with people in the halls which is why you should probably teach the quiet command.
One time Max was home alone and my Uncle wanted to see what Max would do if he thought there was an intruder so he very quietly walked in the door and slinked along the walls being as quiet as possible. Uncle heard Max come up the stairs and stop at the hall between the stairs and kitchen. Uncle quickly looked around the corner (He was around a corner on the other side of the kitchen) and saw Max with his head looking around the corner scanning the kitchen. Uncle started to make little noises and Max started growling and barking and charged into the kitchen. Of course then Uncle came out and said Hi Maxy and gave him pets and hugs for being a good guard dog and also so he didn't feel the need to fear Uncle.
When we were on vacation down the cape he flipped out in the middle of the night because a group of drunk teens were going through out yard on the way to a party. Now in every day life Max NEVER barked. He did have a protective breed in him but he was a very friendly dog. He was half Shar-Pei half who knows (maybe Great Dane).
I think even if most dogs won't protect you with a full on attack or cornering the sound of a deep loud bark is just as good as any alarm system...with teeth. A lot of people have Great Danes who might not have a lick of protection ability but just because of their size someone will not break in just in case this dog is protective, they would have no chance.
I'd say almost any dog will protect you, many but not all will protect the home and a few will attack an intruder. I can think of very few that would not at least alert you to a person. Of course living in an apartment that could be a problem with people in the halls which is why you should probably teach the quiet command.
Most dogs will at least bark and growl if someone tries to break in, which is enough to dissuade a lot of burglars. Heck, even a small dog can scare them off . . . They don't want the neighbors to hear the noise and investigate.
For a dog who is willing to attack when someone does break in . . . Well, I think a lot of dogs will do that as well. But unless you've actually trained the dog in protection work, it may not be a lot of help. For example, let's say you have a protective dog that bites a burglar's leg. If the guy has a gun, he can shoot the dog. If he doesn't have a gun, he can grab the nearest heavy object and brain the dog.
The other thing to remember is that if you have a dog with natural protection instincts, you are going to have to do a LOT of socializing so that the dog understands the nuances between a burglar vs. the mailman.
I understand the desire for a protection companion . . . I also am a single woman living alone, but unfortunately my apartment manager doesn't allow dogs. My own observation is that people are scared of large, black dogs more than any other kind. When I walked my border collie / lab mix, people would often give us a wide berth despite the fact that my dog didn't mind strangers at all and was panting happily. I can't imagine what their reaction would have been if Ebony had been a more suspicious dog.
Even Ebony, friendly as she was, would break into a volley of fierce barking if she thought something suspicious was going on outside at night, though.
For a dog who is willing to attack when someone does break in . . . Well, I think a lot of dogs will do that as well. But unless you've actually trained the dog in protection work, it may not be a lot of help. For example, let's say you have a protective dog that bites a burglar's leg. If the guy has a gun, he can shoot the dog. If he doesn't have a gun, he can grab the nearest heavy object and brain the dog.
The other thing to remember is that if you have a dog with natural protection instincts, you are going to have to do a LOT of socializing so that the dog understands the nuances between a burglar vs. the mailman.
I understand the desire for a protection companion . . . I also am a single woman living alone, but unfortunately my apartment manager doesn't allow dogs. My own observation is that people are scared of large, black dogs more than any other kind. When I walked my border collie / lab mix, people would often give us a wide berth despite the fact that my dog didn't mind strangers at all and was panting happily. I can't imagine what their reaction would have been if Ebony had been a more suspicious dog.
Even Ebony, friendly as she was, would break into a volley of fierce barking if she thought something suspicious was going on outside at night, though.
I agree. I think a well-bred GSD would be a good choice(only thing I worry about is exercise). They will be a great companion and greet your visitors with ease, but if you or it are threatend, can most certainly defend you.
And I see no problem with wanting a breed for protection after just moving to a new state/city.
And I see no problem with wanting a breed for protection after just moving to a new state/city.