Very shocked... I mean logically I knew this stuff was out there...

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  1. Whisper

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    This. I do think everyone has a prejudice (just being human), but NOT everyone is racist.
    And not every racist is hateful or violent, either. I know someone who is obviously racist, but she insists she's not. Her argument is, and I quote, "I'm not racist. I hugged a black person once."
    Sorry lady, yes you are.
    Not everything is so black and white. (No pun intended.)
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I think most people subconsciously judge others whether they mean to or not. I know I do even though it is something I know is wrong. We all have our own biases and stereotypes.

    There is a huge difference between being human and also realizing you are being unfair and then being hateful. Most people can look past their initial impressions.
     
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    I can agree with this.... 100%
     
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    That's what I was trying to say in the first part of my last post but you said 100% better. :p
    As an example of a prejudice, my grandmother. She is about the most accepting, non-judgmental person you'll ever meet. However, after 9/11, when she sees large groups of middle Eastern men at the airport she gets nervous. She hates that she feels that way (and tries very hard not to), and it makes me sad, too, but she's only human.
    It's not a good thing, but based on a traumatic experience she just reacts that way. She also knows she's wrong. I think that makes a big difference.

    Someone on yahoo made some really good points about this topic.
    linky to their post
     
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    There is basically a horrifying subreddit for every thing, so no, not really shocked by this. Combine it with the fact people will literally say ANY THING on the internet and it makes it even less surprising.
     
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    I really wish I was surprised.
     
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    Am I the only person that knew what stormfront was w/o looking at the page?
    For future reference, don't bother looking at anything related to:
    Christian Identity
    World Church of the Creator
    Covenant, Sword & the Arm of The Lord
    Brown berets
    Seven States movement

    Give me time to think about it & I'll add to the list
     
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    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    Yes I went back & red my posts & I was unaware that the way I wrote them implied that I thought (or was insinuating that they were the same thing) whodh I didn't mean to do ... Not intentionally anyway xD.

    I have prejudices not just towards human beings but also certain animals. I am prejudice against birds due to a horrid experience with birds as a kid, I also am prejudice against small dogs (generally speaking ) I have just always been a big dog person.
     
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    Yeah. I used to think I was exempt. Then I read The Left Hand of Darkness, and the author, bless her brilliant heart, slapped me across the face with my own prejudice in the most subtle and elegant way imaginable. It was really humbling. I highly recommend reading it.

    You can even get it for a penny on Amazon. :p
    http://www.amazon.com/Left-Hand-Darkness-Ursula-Guin/dp/0441478123
     
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    Also, I don't buy the, "I'm not a racist because I don't harbor mean feelings/fearfulness toward X group of people," argument.

    Stereotypes are racist/sexist/whateverist because of their nature. It doesn't matter if they are "positive" or "neutral" stereotypes.

    Take for example:

    Black people are good at basketball. They like fried chicken.

    Asians are really good at math. Jews are good at handling money, they make good accountants.

    Women are better at nurturing and that's why they should be taking care of the kids.

    Even though there is nothing inherently mean about those statements, and some even appear to be uplifting, the act of ascribing a trait to an entire group based on ethnicity or gender is dehumanizing. It's saying that a person's traits, good or bad, are defined by their heritage, by their DNA, and that's just not true. People aren't their parts. They are their choices and preferences, and that varies wildly from person to person regardless of their lineage or which chromosomes they have.
     
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    Agreed romy, I have met "exceptions" to those rules before & it is a shame how they are treated not by other races but by their own races simply because they don't fit the stereotype, it's sad :(
     
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    I've met far too many people who are the opposite of "their" stereotypes to really believe in stereotypes anymore...

    I admit that is one thing I used to do, some good some negative...
     
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    It is something we all do, not consciously but we do it. I'm going to quote a review and then put a spoiler from the book I mentioned that explains it better so if you ever plan to read it, don't highlight this post.

    So, that was well and good, and fascinating to read. I was sympathetic to Genly, because really he was a nice guy, he didn't hold any bad prejudices about either gender, and he was trying so hard not to apply his ideas of gender to the people around him.

    Then halfway through the book, one of their leaders asks him, "Are all humans are dark as you are?"

    It was a punch in the gut, and that's the moment I realized that the book wasn't about sexism, or gay rights, or anything else to do with gender.

    It's written in first person. Genly Ai never stood in front of a mirror and described himself to the reader. He never glanced at his arm and thought, I am very dark brown today, just like so many other characters in other works never mentioned that they have white skin. It's assumed, I assumed, that whenever a character is not described in detail they default to white.

    And it made me feel like an idiot. It's a perfect example of white privilege if you're ever looking for one.


    And her rant at Sci Fi for whitewashing the Earthsea miniseries based off her books.
    A Whitewashed Earthsea

    There's also a link to theses blog posts, which are REALLY good. Some are compiled letters and responses from readers of her Earthsea series. Some of the letters are heartbreaking.
    http://www.ursulakleguin.com/Index-EarthseaMiniseries.html
     

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