no one is saying they don't' see us as leaders. I am sure my dogs do. But not cause I am 'bigger and meaner'. I am smarter, I OWN everything. (actually that is the definition of the 'alpha' anyway. The one who controls the resources) I am saying the popular idea of one clear leader in dog packs as a solid model is not the norm. I am saying that the outdated idea of 'pack theory' is bunk. That is not to say that pack animals don't have a hierarchy and complex social interactions. The scientists who originally put forth 'pack theory behaviour' back in the 60's actually published papers saying they were wrong. But the idea grabbed hold of the general public and people have ran with it.