Tug of war makes your dogs mean!

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  1. colliewog

    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    That could actually be related to a lack of proper bite inhibition from the beginning. Being a mill puppy, it was probably weaned early and not properly socialized. He only added to an existing predisposition by playing his stupid version of 'tug of war'. Letting the dog tug your hand is stupid ... at any level!! :eek:
     
  2. Doberluv

    Doberluv Active Member

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    Okay...you're over stepping your bounds here. Back off. That statement is down right slanderous!
     
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    Doberluv Active Member

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    Down right scandelous, in fact.
     
  4. Doberluv

    Doberluv Active Member

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    Its really a rotten, untrue thing to say!:eek:
     
  5. corgipower

    corgipower Tweleve Enthusiest

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    Over the years I've probably seen thousands of dogs owned by JQP who had no issues that were caused by playing tug.

    Yes, my dog has aggression that was worsened by his early training. He also had a personality that made him more likely to become aggressive/defensive. Compulsion added to the likelihood. When I slammed him to the floor after he bit me over a rawhide, I have no doubt that only worsened his resource guarding.

    So...for all those lurking, what I'd say to them is to enjoy playing tug with their dog and to use games like tug as a reward incorporated into positive motivation, non-compulsive training.

    Carrie, I think the bunny is wearing seaweed...it seems to be the japanese version of
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  6. Lizmo

    Lizmo Water Junkie

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    ^ this.
     
  7. Zoom

    Zoom Twin 2.0

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    I don't think it really is, actually. And after all, it's just my opinion, all I'm doing is disagreeing and has nothing to do with you.

    I can't think of a single training thread that Smkie has posted her methods in that hasn't turned into a group of people going "well that's not the way we do it, so obviously it's wrong." She posts about training Vic for a PFL dog and she's told that her dogs are push-button robots that have no idea how to be a dog. Seeing as how none of those people who are saying that have ever met Vic, I find it amazing they can draw that assumption, despite photographic evidence to the contrary. And this thread has now been totally hijacked, lol.

    And the thing on the bunny's head is a bit of Nori (seaweed used for sushi). Quite tasty, though not necessarily on it's own. :lol-sign:
     
  8. bubbatd

    bubbatd Moderator

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    Dober , of course I asked him more questions !!
     
  9. Lizmo

    Lizmo Water Junkie

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    Everyone has just disagreed with her. I don't see the big deal, LOL. Zoom, you were the one who came in and got mad. It seemed to be a pretty civil discussion so far. . .

    No one said she was a 'bad person' or doesn't have trained dogs.
     
  10. smkie

    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    THe robot thing did make me chuckle. If there was ever not a robot dog...it would be Victor.:rofl1: Thanks Zoom for putting a smile on my face, I had forgotten about that one.

    When I started working at the kennels I was followed and watched my every move for about a year. I had 5 dogs a day to obed work before I did the kennel work, later that number sometimes increased but was almost never under 5. Training sessions were set up where either i was used as a handler or a bird boy. Fall and spring were field trials for 10 years. I was paid with dog food, trail fees, vet service and a first pick of the litter of my choice. 7 days a week, no matter what the weather, but I loved it. I learned to drive a jeep with a dog trailer attached before I learned to drive a regular car. I was step and fetch and go for it..girl friday. I got a heck of a lot of experience working dogs that came in with issues. THey don't bring them in when they are small and cute and easy. THey bring them in when they are too big to handle with every kind of problem which we were suppose to fix in a month's time. All through jr high, high school, jr college, a year's break and back to it when I started the ARt institute. I didn't read a lot of books, tho i did read some. I did as I was instructed and followed the different styles of training that i saw between different hunters and handlers with interest choosing for my own methods what i felt was most effective... Not saying I know it all either. Thanks to Pets for LIfe and the seminars they make possible I have learned about pressure points that I have found very effective to work in and t-touch which helped reach Victor when he was unreachable. I do believe it gives me a bit of a right to express an opinion on something that is being said that is against what I was taught. ANd apparently Grammy was under the same thoughts as well. . I wrote that these games in people very experienced that know not to go too far probably do no harm. But i also said that i saw one 6 week old pup that was treated exactly the way My boss said not to that ended up aggressive, the only dog ever under my roof that behaved this way. Tug was the only thing the ex ever did with him..the rest of the care was the same. I said that Victor would bite right through you to get the toy when he came. Creating an atmosphere where his only goal was to snatch it away and get you to chase him. I am sure by the way he behaved that keep away was a big part of it. Especially since his head started slinging one way from one person to another as soon as the toy was introduced. I spent months undoing his issues like you would untie a huge and impossible knot. I do respect the people I associate here in KC and felt strongly enough about the issue to ask them openly without stating my opinion first and come back here and share the answer. I am accustom to the rude statements such as I do not respect people on here from certain members. Down right predictable to read that, but it is also inaccurate. I do very much have respect for a lot of our chaz trainers. Ct how I wish she were still with us was postively brilliant in her approach. I do not however always agree with everything that is written. IF i think it is no big deal, i say nothing. But if i think those that lurk are going to read this thread I do want them to hear my perspective and go out and seek more information before they make up their own minds..especially in very young puppies in their first few months before they have learned their basics. I have no use for keep away whatsoever.
     
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  11. release the hounds

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    Some play tug, some don't. Some have caused problems, some won't. Some drink pepsi, some coke. I don't think anybody here has all the answers.

    I like to play tug and when people say it will make my dog a certain way, I just chuckle and move along. I live with my dogs and interact with them every day. I think I have a bit better idea of what i'm living with than anybody else does.

    If somebody else notices their dog acting a certain way and think Tug isn't a good thing to do, so what. They probably know their dog better than I do.
     
  12. adojrts

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    Personally I think this thread has been generally very good. And I hope that anyone reading it, does think twice about any kind of training that they do, they go for help, research and most importantly understand that any method or game done incorrectly can have ramifications.
     

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