Trying this again... Me and Irish Wolfhounds

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  1. -bogart-

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    hmmm 18 is a better number and maybe i could stock up on good deeds done for hubs points.

    the kids will also be better then , with the girls being alomst six and the boys teens, and the older ones kicked out.

    what ya think 1 wolfhound = 2 , 20 yr olds right , so when the older ones leave i have space for gigantico pup , right ....Right . lol
     
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    Hi welcome to the forum! I've always had a love of these dogs ever since I was a kid... no idea why! I've never had the chance to meet one though. Look forward to more pictures and stories about the new puppies!
     
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    hunting and being a good pet around the house are not mutually exclusive. as for eating a cat that just varies from dog to dog, plenty of cats are snacks for dogs that have never seen the woods. lure coursing is good for seeing physical defects & fitness. real hunting (or any work for that matter) however instills a vigor & hardiness in both man (or woman) & dog that can't be gotten any other way. it also gives you a deeper understanding of what matters most in the standard & what may be nonsense.
    i hope you do take up lure coursing & keep us informed of how that goes.
     
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    Freehold has a fantastic farm, I hope to bring out the LC equip. I really want to see her dogs run :D And let mine run.

    Not my thread but I got thinking with Pop's question. We all know how much I like working dogs (duh lol) But how to hunt a wolfhound when farms are all fenced and a coyote could leap them and a wolfie couldn't. We DO have a huge coyote problem, but I wonder about the feasibility of hunting them with wolfhounds in this area.
     
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    What I mean by breeding for pet vs breeding for hunting is that I would be looking for different qualities. Not saying they are mutually exclusive, but the traits I expect would make better hunting dogs may very well be unsuited to many pet owners. On the other hand, I do think my guys could hunt well if taught. I'm just not that into hunting to begin with... Not my thing.

    Dekka is right too about the land around here. It's not open spreads. I live very close to the city (under 5 minutes) with busy roads and a fair bit of fenced land. For the dogs to hunt on their own it would probably work ok as the fencing isn't great in many areas. The wetlands and the farmer behind me would work out well for hunting. You couldn't try following with horses though - no real way through without hurting the horses. And for other on foot methods it might be possible. Really not sure. I've never hunted wolf/coyote, and not sure I ever want to. Dekka is welcome to bring her dogs out to rat hunt any time though ;)

    I only really had my first exposure to lure coursing about 2 years ago, so I've got a ton to learn. Renee didn't care at all about the lure, but would have loved to run with the other dogs... Not what you want in a lure coursing dog. But she might be persuaded to try it. She's just not really got prey drive, which is perfectly fine for what she's bred for.

    The cat comment isn't that a hunting dog is more likely than a non-hunting dog to take down a cat. It's the prey drive that makes dogs want to take down cats (and other critters). A low prey drive in my Wolfhounds is what I want.

    On the other hand I have no doubt she would defend me with her life if it came down to it. When we showed at Cornwall camping one of the owners let their dog loose to go do his business and he came a bit too close to where we were. I'd never seen a wolfhound lift her lips like that before. Decidedly scary to see.

    I guess it's just different perspectives as to what we want in our dogs. I'd take a Wolfhound who could do obedience and rally, and maybe even agility (if only those tubes were a tad bigger :p ) over a Wolfhound who hunted. Just me I guess...
     
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    Another thought - the line of Wolfhounds my dogs are from have not been bred (in Canada - might be different in other countries) for hunting in many many generations... Many of the traits for hunting and prey drive are not there - they've not been desirable traits. Wolfhounds are mostly bred for pet and pleasure. Unless you specifically look for dogs from lines where hunting has been a priority I suspect the drives wouldn't really be there in the same way. They are no longer truly a hunting breed.
     
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    This.^ My borzois will dismember raccoons and eat coyotes, yet are great friends with small and large dogs and are wonderful with our cats. They even like our chinchillas. They are very laid back and personable companions.

    Your wolfhounds are beautiful. Heke looks like a good choice for Renee, his dam was really lovely too. I can't wait for puppy pictures!
     
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    the current incarnation of wolfhound is to heavy built for running coyotes solo. in all of the USA I only know of two being regularly worked. one is a TX hogdog belonging to a friend of Josh (Nat Geo- hogs gone wild). the other is owned by a wolfer in the midwest that uses his for a kill dog on coyotes caught by his greys & stags. he also crosses it onto greys (mostly hotbloods) to make F1 stags. word is the best product comes from crossing the F1s back to a grey or purebred stag to get faster dogs w/ alot of staying power & the ability to slam dunk a coyote with a quickness. there are or were some active in NOFCA chasing jacks.
    the modern incarnation of the wolfhound was never bred for hunting. Major Richardson's crossbred stuff never generated much interest. Graham's heavy built deerhounds were found useful in anchoring stags caught by faster dogs but not enough for the brit hunting community to stick with them. where they have shined in the field is hogs from red rivers & warthogs in africa to boar in india to ferals in Oz they have earned small but loyal followings. personally i'd like to try some paired w/ stags & coldboods on elk & moose. i also feel confident they could be handy for big northern coons on golf courses & cut cornfields.
    non hunters often think hunters want hunt crazy dogs that just want to run 24/7. truth is we only want that at game time. the rest of the time we want them easy handling & highly obedient.
    after all that, i would love to see your dogs run en just on a lure.
     
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    Yes, lure would be fun :) And your comments are dead on for what I mean. The traits needed for a good hunting dog have not been emphasized in modern Wolfhounds in quite some time. While I am not into the super heavy type, I also want my dogs to be solid and heavy built. Yes, they would be good dogs to take down a larger prey animal after it has been harried a while, but I doubt they'd be up for a very long tracking run. On the other hand, when they want to run they can do it very nicely :)

    Honestly, I think it would be very interesting to see a line of Wolfhound return to the hunting ideals. I'm just not looking at doing it with mine ;) That's not what I like about the breed, or about dogs in general.

    And I agree, a crazy hunt dog would be useless. They need to know their job and do it well. But otherwise should have brains.

    Whenever I get my girls doing lureswith Dekka I will have to get some video to share. Cleo is old enough to try it now that she is about to turn 2. Renee is mature, so once she's puppy free and ready to get back into shape she could also play. Unfortunately with Wolfies you really can't start too much running exercise until after 18 months. They are slow to mature and with their weight they can injure themselves relatively easily.
     
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    This season, we had 3 :) I LOVE spending time with them in the field... they're so mellow and sweet! One bitch in particular was a giant clown.. She had us all laughing every chance she got!

    Definitely a lovely breed! Though I do wish they were more functional!
     
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    Beautiful dogs!! I can't wait to see more puppies! I'd love to see some videos of them in action too!
     
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    I'll have to try taking some video. Maybe if the weather is nice tomorrow I'll try to get pics of Cleo and maybe some video of them both playing in my yard. Renee is still pretty active, not heavy yet, but if definitely showing some odd grumps and such. I am very hopeful that there will be a litter. Vet visit in another couple of weeks to check her over.
     
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    Gorgeous dogs!!! I have only met one in person and he was "sitting" on his masters lap at a trial while she was sitting in a chair... It was quite a site!!

    They really do take your breath away!
     
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    Welcome! I don't know a whole lot about wolfhounds - I do know that aesthetically they are one of my favourite breeds. I live close-ish and keep saying I need to visit Dekka again soon - perhaps when I do we can meet you too! :)
     
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    At our big house we built on acreage quite a few years back, some neighbors down the road showed and bred Irish Wolfhounds. They were nice dogs, very lovely with people and quite laid back. They had quite a few at any given time, like maybe 5 or 6 plus puppies once in a while.

    They had 10 acres and did have a fence, just not a solid one. Some little stray, fluffy dog...so cute was wandering around our neighborhood for a few days. I wish I had nabbed him when I had the chance. But it was private roads...not much traffic at all. Anyhow, another neighbor saw this little dog go into the pasture where the Wolfhounds lived and saw them rip apart that little dog. She was very upset and couldn't do a thing about it. She tried yelling "no" but of course that didn't register with them at that point. Anyhow, they were required by the county or someone to make a better fence, so they used a tall, chain link all around their 10 acres. Of course, any dog could do this. I just remembered these dogs. They did do their share of barking and making all kinds of racket. Sometimes I'd hear the woman yell out the door, "SHUT UP!" And it worked. Sudden silence. LOL.

    Well, your dogs are lovely.
     
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    While I've heard of it happening, I can't imagine my own wolfies doing that. A while back I had a couple of JRT fosters (one of whom I adopted - but sadly had to rehome as she was an escape artist and always without exception went directly to the road - I was terrified she'd get her self killed). Dee, the one I kept for 2 years, would always play with the Wolfies. She was the "aunt" for Renee's first litter - they adored her. She would also play with Renee, racing around the yard, leaping at her shoulder, springboarding off, then racing madly around the yard together. They were such good buddies. If only Dee would have stuck around instead of escaping and putting her life at risk...

    I guess part of the reason my guys are ok with smaller critters is that they grow up with them. As very young puppies they get the chance to meet our other dogs (as soon as Renee isn't over protective of course) and play with them in the yard. When weaned they live in the barn for a while (more room, less mess) and there they get to know all the cats. I'd often find one of the barn cats curled up in a mass of puppy bodies, happily sharing the beds. Later in life the dogs share the house with a rather dominant cat who will usually claim one of the huge Wolfhound-sized beds for herself. The Wolfies all move away and sleep elsewhere instead of arguing with her.

    Now I have seen them get excited when a stray squirrel decides to risk running on the ground through their treed yard. They've not caught one though. The cats are safe, and often patrol the fenceline, and I can bring pretty much any dog for a visit and not fear for its safety. However, if a dog were to try to fight with them... I couldn't be sure of its safety. I've seen Renee show her teeth to another Wolfhound she didn't like... and can't imagine the damage she could cause (well I don't want to anyway). Even watching them play sometimes can be interesting... though they won't hurt eachother.

    Socialization makes a huge difference IMO. I do think that many dogs who are likely to pack hunt are likely less socialized with different sizes/types of critters. Of course some are just high prey drive to begin with (like JRTs as a whole, which I discovered during my brief stint of being a foster for them).

    Barking is a funny thing. My guys have this funny habit of having barking contests. They will line themselves up nose-to-nose and bark at eachother. They go back and forth bark-bark-bark-bark. It's hilarious to watch. Usually they will be quiet if asked, but not always. Otherwise they generally just bark when they want in, or when someone comes visiting. They also have the odd howlfest. Fortunately we have 100 acres - no neighbours to get annoyed.

    AllieMackie, you'd be very welcome out for a visit should you happen out this way. Actually the breeder we usually deal with is out Gatineau way. We will also likely be doing several shows out in the Ottawa direction late this summer. They are good shows for Wolfies as there are quite a few breeders in that general area. You'd be welcome to meet us out at a show too if you wanted :) Dekka is thinking of working with Renee in obedience, so she might even come to some shows and show her :)
     
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    Ok, it's a terrible shot, but my mom tried taking the conformation photos and managed to cut Cleo's head off in all but this one... One looked really good too, other than the missing head :/ Still you can at least see what Cleo looks like now (at 2 years old).

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    Keep in mind that there is a slope... and it's a really awful picture :/ I will have to groom her up a bit better and have Dekka take some pics for me.

    And here is one of her "trotting".
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    Ok, and so you can laugh... the good "headless" shot... :lol:
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    Oh awesome! I would love to. Keep me posted. :)
     

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