Trick of the week: Rebounds, overs and stalls

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  1. SaraB

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    You are already as good of a trainer.

    Yes, we are going for it. I've talked to quite a few people that have been successful in the disc community and they all are very excited to see it in a routine. I'll probably do that as my opening because she doesn't have a footstall from an outthrow yet like Zuma does. I hate footstalls in freestyle routines where the person has to stop the dog before they jump up, just breaks down the flow.

    So it's a go. And I'm super excited to add the disc in. :D
     
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    I've loved watching everyone's videos! I'm new to this so I don't really have any input other than they all look great. It's really cool seeing the progress in all the videos.

    The stalls look super tricky and fun. I'm still not sure if I'll get there with Yarrow and a back stall, but we'll see!

    And SaraB I think that's so awesome that you're going for the flip off a foot stall!! I love it.
     
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    Here's a question for Sara and Dex, how often would you work on the stalls?

    I tend to do short sessions (one or two minutes) but I also like to do a lot during the day, especially when I get going. So I end up doing 1-2 minutes 5-6 times a day. Is that too many?

    ETA: Wanted to add that I've gone back to having them step on my feet from the bed. Mainly to build the strength in both of us without the shock of the mounting. This way we can all just become comfortable with them up there but they understand the point of getting on my feet from the previous work.

    Especially Traveler since I really have a hard time supporting his weight, I wish he would lay down like Cohen.
     
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    That's interesting, I was planning on asking how you might incorporate a foot stall into a routine since I think it'd look awkward at best and embarrassing at worst trying to get down into position during a routine. Starting with a stall/beg or stand may be a viable idea, but I'd love to see some videos (or just describe) about how the move can be incorporated into a routine.
     
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    I know you didn't ask me, but I would probably do 1-2 minute sessions ~4 times a day. There are other things to work on which require different muscle groups if you're in a hardcore training mood that day.

    I know with my back stall, once Cohen got a bit more proficient at it I was able to cue position changes (sit, stand, down). Cohen is still pretty unsure of her balance when I ask for a beg, so she pops up and down a lot. My end goal is a beg on my feet too, but it'll probably take a good long time to build it.
     
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    I tend to do footstalls maybe once or twice a day, but not every day. Just for a couple minutes each session.

    I think that's a good idea to go back to building your strength as well. Even once your dog has learned to balance, they still move around quite a bit and you still have to have the strength to maintain your leg position when they are adjusting their position. If you watch any videos of Zuma's footstall, very rarely does she land and stay completely still. There is a lot of weight shifting going on that makes or breaks the footstall depending on if I can compensate for it or not.

    I'll video Zuma's footstall sequence when I get a chance. Basically I do a sequence where I'm on the ground already, throw and outthrow so I have time to get into position and everyone is watching her, and then ask for it when she's returning to me.

    I can say though that our first couple of routines, she botched it and it was incredibly awkward because we had 3 failed footstalls before I gave up.

    We've worked a ton on collection and the loading part of it now, and she will stick the landing 9 out of 10 times from a run.

    Here's a video of Angela and Rally, they start with a footstall:
    [YOUTUBE]E50EtbnwjJU[/YOUTUBE]
     
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    I think my dogs are building muscle faster than me - I'm rather sore in one shoulder today and yet Snipe is no worse for wear!
     
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    It was awesome seeing these videos! I only read the first few and last few pages, but it's definitely something I want to try with Sir and Recon. Recon is way too young to have enough awarenes to try anything like it and he is too clumsy.. so maybe in another 6 months, but Sir is going to start tonight or tomorrow!
     
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    Siri knows a dog catch, and we learned a back stall (bailing onto a couch) this morning. Video tonight when I have a cameraman.

    I am LOVING all of these videos!!
     
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    I'm not going to video every single step, but I've gotten Maisy to the point where she is starting to hop her front paws onto my shoulders with a hand cue.

    She still streeeeeettches her whole body and pretty much lays down on my back but I think she's getting the idea that I want her back feet up there, too. I'm slowly inching my own starting position away from the couch to make it physically more necessary for her to get her whole body up to follow the lure, so we'll see.

    I think this won't be finished before the next trick starts but I'll keep working on it because who doesn't want a Maisy standing on their back? LOL.
     
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    That's about where B is on the solo work. With a spotter he's up but I think that's from body pressure. Alone he will try going around me a few times then front paws and streeeeeetching.

    Our rebound on the lap is much, much better today. I rushed and tried it in a squat position on the wall and confused him, he ran under me repeatedly and them bounced in a release position (agility) on my stomach several times. We'll stick with the chair for a bit.

    I plan to catch up on videos at lunch, I'm excited to see where everyone else is at!
     
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    Cohen is my trick dog inspiration! She's almost exactly the same size and pretty close in shape, so I figure anything she can do, Marsh can do. :D

    We've started a back stall. I started by getting him jumping up and laying down on an ottoman, and worked so he offered it while I was kneeling, then crouched down. Once that was fluent I started luring him onto my back. He has nice form, his head's over my shoulder and he's laying down.

    I really need to trim his back nails.

    Today we transitioned off the ottoman to a dog bed about six inches thick. From here I think it's just a matter of building value until he offers it fluently.

    I'm still crouched down, and every couple of reps I like to move around a little so he gets used to keeping his balance, and bailing safely if he has to.
     
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    Ahahaha, I was thinking this morning, I wonder how many of us are scratched up and bruised from this stuff this weekend? LOL. I know my thighs are bruised and scratched from groin to knee and my back is super scratched up as well.
    We are all crazy.
     
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    I was actually surprised that I didn't have more marks than this:
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    Still considering a vest tho... ;)
     
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    I can't imagine you all doing this with big dogs, 10 pound Siri hurts when she is driving off my back.
     
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    We had a private lesson with Angela (video above) yesterday. One of my favorite moves from her is the front-load backstall. So she got us started on it yesterday. It was so much more difficult than I thought it was, to get my timing down. Here's Zinga's progress so far. I just need to fade the shoulder tap and we are all good!

    [YOUTUBE]Bup2yihmVZg[/YOUTUBE]
     
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    I did the same thing, I kept rushing out of the chair before they really got it. Well, Didgie. Traveler did better when I just skipped all the steps and hit my side and asked for him to jump at me.. But he's a freak.

    With Didgie I did end up stalled at the chair spot for awhile but once she really got that things moved a lot quicker.

    Yay Siri!! I'm sure she loves the bounce! And it's great for her getting used to you grabbing at her. Can't wait for the video!

    Did you try stopping here and shaping it? I really notice when I try and lure this kind of stuff they just stretch like Maisy but when I back up and start marking for small increments they get it faster and try more things.

    ....would it be a trick thread if I didn't push shaping somewhere? :rofl1:

    And I was just saying to Sara last night that I think we should do a revisit to this in like a month. That way all the dogs have had time to build core strength.

    That looks amazing! I love it and I'm impressed with the speed that you duck down.
     
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    So here's what I'm doing with Didgie and Traveler right now to get them comfortable in the foot stall and build the core muscle along with teaching all three of us to move with eachother.

    I got rid of the bathmat as soon as I could since I dislike props and now think I'll stick here until they're both doing it comfortably and eagerly.

    [YOUTUBE]ihIIl78SN0I[/YOUTUBE]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIIl78SN0I

    End goal will be doing it in VFF since I loath normal shoes.
     
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    I love how careful Trav is. He's working really hard to stay up there!

    Sekah, here's a quick video of Zuma's footstall sequence. We don't have a lot of space, so that out throw would normally be a bit further out, plus in a comp setting she's much more amped up.

    [YOUTUBE]DfBE8kpkxhk[/YOUTUBE]
     

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