Trick of the week: Rebounds, overs and stalls

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With the rebound, which is what I'm assuming you are talking about in regards to the treat placement, unless you are planning on teaching him to catch a disc with it? A vault is where they use your body to jump up to catch something, a rebound/fakey is where they just jump off your body. You want it fluid before you move to the wall that's for sure. Clean? I would have to see it. Reward in your lap and then toss the treat to the ground for a few reps, then fade out the reward in your lap and only reward on the ground. He should start to jump up with the intentions of jumping off right away pretty soon and then it will become more fluid.
Definitely, my terminology is probably off but I want basically a wall turn off my body. I don't know that I want him to jump up and use my stomach as leverage to jumping higher to catch a frisbee. I seriously see that as painful for me and dangerous for my clutz. :/

I'll break it down for a solid hop on my lap-reward-hop off-reward for now. Thanks!
 
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Yea, I think I need a smaller dog. Even with Maisy, I feel it when she hops just her FRONT feet on me and she's all of 50# after losing her winter insulation.
 
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Just send all your large dogs to Sara's house, they'll shrink. She puts something in the water there that makes all dogs tiny no matter what.
 

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Zip Tie was sad that he couldn't play along because he's too young to do any crazy stuff. So here's a video of his dog catch he just learned a couple minutes ago. (The husband is out of town so I'm putting Zip Tie in disc dog bootcamp until he comes back). So anyways, how this relates to rebounds, overs and stalls, I want him ok with being in my space now so that rebounds, overs and stalls are easier when he's ready for them.

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Payton was suuuuuper slow about the whole get up-get down thing so we have changed his into a dog catch as well because that's actually a trick I super want. I am still rewarding from my left hand after he does get down, so hopefully we are putting some stuff in the bank and he will do rebounds at a later point.

Georgie is super great, but once I stand up to a certain point she starts jumping across me rather than twisting her little body and landing on my left. I'm not sure if it's because the only real empty wall space I have is in our hallway, so she's not wanting to turn around and run into the opposite wall... or if I'm just still going too fast?

Auggie wanted to play so he is starting also. Unlike the back stall I actually got him to jump up on me, but he is also wanting to jump across rather than twist around. My dogs are apparently inefficient... >=|
 

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Payton was suuuuuper slow about the whole get up-get down thing so we have changed his into a dog catch as well because that's actually a trick I super want. I am still rewarding from my left hand after he does get down, so hopefully we are putting some stuff in the bank and he will do rebounds at a later point.

Georgie is super great, but once I stand up to a certain point she starts jumping across me rather than twisting her little body and landing on my left. I'm not sure if it's because the only real empty wall space I have is in our hallway, so she's not wanting to turn around and run into the opposite wall... or if I'm just still going too fast?

Auggie wanted to play so he is starting also. Unlike the back stall I actually got him to jump up on me, but he is also wanting to jump across rather than twist around. My dogs are apparently inefficient... >=|
Where is your reward for this? I assume you are talking about a rebound.

That reward should happen away from you, toss it to the ground so your dog ends up facing away from you when they get it. Quickly too, call the dog up, toss that treat as soon as they are jumping.
 

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Aeri and I fooling around - she just did a down when I tried to get her on my back, so we switched to trying toward a footstall. Not sure this is going to be an area of strength for her.... ;)

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Yes, a rebound. Georgie knows the cookie is on the ground behind her, she just doesn't seem compelled to turn around and hurry to get it at a certain point. Auggie is a different story, he almost would prefer to just jump back and forth and back and forth for a few hours and not even eat any cookies. *facepalm*

With Payton I chuck a cookie on the ground and then I have to sit there and point it out to him and tell him GET IT like six times before he goes to get it. I'm almost positive he thinks it is a trick and a self-control exercise instead of a reward. I tried throwing a ball instead but same thing, he didn't even see me throw it and I had to point it out to him. Plus once it hits the ground and bounces away now it's behind his back and trying to point it out behind him is a joke. Maybe I need to teach him to spin in a circle on my lap first. =P I'm not sure what he's paying attention to on his way up that he's not noticing me throwing treats or a ball...
so now I am just having him up, catching him, rewarding from my right hand while I'm holding him, then when I let him go I have another cookie in my left hand so he circles back to my left and gets another cookie there.
 

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Annnd SNIPE! She really makes up for my shortcut taking here, and I love that she was so game to do crazy things, tho I did get some looks and a little stress ears that I didn't see until I looked at the video, so we'll be working more on confidence. <3

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We've just moved on to her on my feet. She lays down like that each time, and I'm hoping it's something we can fade with practice. I think it's to help her balance on the small area & my reward placement. Plus it's just easier on her muscles. Think it's something that'll fade with competence or something I'll have to actively train out?

Also, anyone else notice their dogs becoming total hardbodies with all this balance work? Cohen is rock hard.
 

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Yes, a rebound. Georgie knows the cookie is on the ground behind her, she just doesn't seem compelled to turn around and hurry to get it at a certain point. Auggie is a different story, he almost would prefer to just jump back and forth and back and forth for a few hours and not even eat any cookies. *facepalm*

With Payton I chuck a cookie on the ground and then I have to sit there and point it out to him and tell him GET IT like six times before he goes to get it. I'm almost positive he thinks it is a trick and a self-control exercise instead of a reward. I tried throwing a ball instead but same thing, he didn't even see me throw it and I had to point it out to him. Plus once it hits the ground and bounces away now it's behind his back and trying to point it out behind him is a joke. Maybe I need to teach him to spin in a circle on my lap first. =P I'm not sure what he's paying attention to on his way up that he's not noticing me throwing treats or a ball...
so now I am just having him up, catching him, rewarding from my right hand while I'm holding him, then when I let him go I have another cookie in my left hand so he circles back to my left and gets another cookie there.
I was going to say try a ball, but you already did that. Make sure they SEE you throw it at least for the first couple times.

Annnd SNIPE! She really makes up for my shortcut taking here, and I love that she was so game to do crazy things, tho I did get some looks and a little stress ears that I didn't see until I looked at the video, so we'll be working more on confidence. <3
LOL!!! I love how she's all like, Hey, I'm on her back.. Hey, There's the treat bag!!

We've just moved on to her on my feet. She lays down like that each time, and I'm hoping it's something we can fade with practice. I think it's to help her balance on the small area & my reward placement. Plus it's just easier on her muscles. Think it's something that'll fade with competence or something I'll have to actively train out?

Also, anyone else notice their dogs becoming total hardbodies with all this balance work? Cohen is rock hard.
Most dogs lie down like that at first, as they can confidence and coordination, they'll straighten up. To help my dogs, I brought the clicker out and clicked for anything they did other than lay there. Eventually, they start to offer all of their normal offered behaviors.
 

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Aeri and I fooling around - she just did a down when I tried to get her on my back, so we switched to trying toward a footstall. Not sure this is going to be an area of strength for her.... ;)
I almost wouldn't start on your shins with her. Think about it, shins are round, there's a gap between them, hard to get your feet in the right place. I know when I tried it that way with Zuma, it blew her confidence right away. Smaller dogs might have an easier time with it.
 

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Just a quick reminder (don't even know why I have to say this). This thread isn't just about posting your own videos, it's about giving input to other people's videos as well.

Most people participating have done a great job watching and commenting on the other videos posted as well as posting their own. I really, really appreciate that!!

I understand that you may not have time to watch every video, but if you have time to post your own video, you have time to watch a quick one and post a comment about it.

Just my two cents.
 
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YAY COHEN!!! She looks awesome!! I wish my dogs would lay down like her initially, they would balance and learn so much better.

Great job! I'm super impressed by your ability to stabilize yourself enough to not hold your legs.
 
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Here's a video showing what we've kind of been working on/spinning around in my head. A flip off of a footstall. Now I'm not saying this is an entirely safe move, but I wanted to see just how she would land it. We did practice a bunch on an exercise ball first to teach her to jump from an unsteady surface.

Also, at the beginning there is a blooper showing why you don't have multiple foostall dogs out working at the same time. :rofl1:

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Someone tell me this is a bad idea and I should stop doing it. I'm still debating whether I want to go ahead and continue training this, or if it's just flat out not a good idea.
So have you come with any conclusion on this? I really think it's such a cool idea and Zinga is just crazy enough for it.

One day when I grow up I want to be as good of trainer as you
 

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