to stud or not to stud

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  1. telestar_1

    telestar_1 New Member

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    how old would a cavalier king charles spaniel need to be to stud out

    and could someone tell me pro's and cons
     
  2. Twilight

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    My first question would be WHY do you want to stud the dog out??
     
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    telestar_1 New Member

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    only reason i thought to do it is because we have not had him fixed yet ot decided to and he looks like he could use a release and we want one of his pups if possable
     
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    Babyblue5290 Happy Meal. Yum.

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    Ok....I don't think dogs need "a release", but I'm no professional in any ways so I could be wrong.
     
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    Doberluv Active Member

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    Not. The best thing for his health and to keep the surplus population of dogs down would be to neuter him.
     
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    Babyblue5290 Happy Meal. Yum.

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    How come you got your dog at 5 1/2 months and not at the usual 8-12 weeks? Or did you not get from a breeder?
    Just wondering....thanks
     
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    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    dogs can live long and healthy lives without being a stud dog..neutering will save your dog from certain cancers..i think you need to investigate, and talk with your vet as well as other breeders.
     
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    I'd neuter....go back to his breeder if you want another pup.
     
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    i'd have him neutered, as far as im aware it prevents some forms of cancer and illnesses (please correct me if im wrong)
     
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    what my vet at the humane society told me about neutering..that it prevents testicle cancer. Thus keeping an undetected cancer from spreading to other organs as well..it isn't always caught early and cancers follow certain paths that eventually lead to the bones and the brain. My german shorthair that was given to the ex developed testicle cancer and fortunately is was caught early, but only by shear luck because the vet was doing a routine health check and found the enlarged testicle. I was concerned that if i neutered Bronki, he tended to gain weight very easily as his mother does, and already had to be on a severe diet, that he would gain even more weight as the result. The vet told me that was a very good possiblity, but that i should have him neutered before the age of 5 one way or the other. I didn't. I had to have him put down as the result of lung cancer. It didn't start in the testicles..so at least that isn't on my mind, but it was a risk that i took that i shouldn't have. Before a dog is used in breeding he should be at least 2 years of age, should have a full round of exams..hips eyes, i don't know what all King Charles Spaniels have, but each breed seems to have their own problems. What i think most people are concerned about is the number of animals that could be saved and why more should be born while others die. That is a moral call you have to work out for yourself. If you think that breeding your pup will bring you a dog just like the one you have, it just doesn't work that way. Each animal would have his own personality, Bronki was no more like his father, then i am like mine (thank goodness). Anyway it is something you should tallk over with your vet, attend some shows and talk to breeders, check with your own breeder. Read, before you make any decision one way or the other.
     
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    As BB asked earlier...I too would like a background before you got him at 5 1/2 months. It could help in answering some of your questions.
     
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    telestar_1 New Member

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    i got my dog at that age i saw him in a store and fell in love with him i dont know why he was that age but he is perfect i have never loved an animal this much

    he has papers and all and i have even gone as far as to track down the breeder he came from and all
     
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    Babyblue5290 Happy Meal. Yum.

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    If you got him from a store, IMO, I don't think you would be helping the breed very much to stud or breed him.
     
  15. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    NEUTER!! Not only is it better for his health, but it would be better for the breed in general - with all the problems the poor Cavalier is ridden with, the last thing it needs is more pet-store pups being bred.

    Cavaliers have an INSANELY huge amount of dogs with cardiomyopathy and various other extremely serious heart problems. I have seen the way most pet store puppies are bred, and their health is given very little regard.

    Personally, I would neuter your dog and just hope that he himself doesn't have CM or some other serious problem.
     
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    so can you find out at least 3 generations of his parents, and find out their helth tests, find out if any are actually good examples of the breed?

    he will need to be x-rayed for hip dysplasia, checked by a certified veterinary opthalmologist for eye problems, tested for thyroid problems, etc etc, Here's a site with more info on pre-breeding health care. http://users.neca.com/szeder/bveth.html


    Breeding seldom gives the desired result. If you are looking for another dog "just like mine", breeding is not the way to go. Puppies are as individual as children are compared to their parents. They may look and act nothing like the parent. It often seem that whatever you want most from a breeding is what you are least likely to get! Go back to the breeder you got your dog from, and with their help, pick out a similar dog. But remember, *every* dog is an individual!

    Breeding does not improve a dog's temperment AT ALL.

    Most breeders will not breed to anything other than a champion stud, so you will need to show your dog...easily a couple thousands of dollars to finish him.
    Then you will need to advertise, etc. Yeah Sure, you might find someone who just wants to breed their pet to your boy, but a responsible breeder should be trying to produce more than just mediocre puppies. And no, "cuteness" doesn't count.

    Handling a stud is not easy. What will you do if there are problems? Dogs don't always just "know what to do". Are you prepared to keep the b**** in heat at your home for a week? Some females are, well, "bitchy" and your male can get bitten...or he might bite that valuable dog someone else owns (can you say lawsuit?) Also realize that many b**** owners see you as the "expert"...will you be able to answer their questions about whelping...at 3 in the morning? And if the breeding doesn't take, the b****'s owner will want a repeat breeding, and another, and another...

    Finally, consider this before breeding. Hundreds of dogs are put to sleep EVERY DAY. There is a huge pet overpopulation in this country. Do you really need to add to the excess? Every dog that is bred means one more that will die. No matter how good the quality of your dogs are, there are dogs that will not have a home, because one of your puppies is there instead. If you have time and money enough to raise a litter, why not consider volunteering for your local breed rescue instead? With the large numbers of dogs put to sleep in this country, I feel that NO breeder is "responsible" unless they also spend time finding homes for rescued dogs
     
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    Hes a cute little guy. If I was in your shoes, I would have him neutered and just enjoy your time together.
     
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    Excellent, informative post, Twilight - and great common-sense advice, Nedim!
     
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    Very well put.
     
  20. bubbatd

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    I'm sorry, but he had to be given up for a reason. If it was by the breeder, ask. If it was from 1st owner ask. There has to be a breeding problem. Neuter !
     

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