Tick borne diseases?

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  1. JessLough

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    What should I watch for when it comes to tick borne diseases?

    Marlee was infested when she came into shelter/rescue, and she acts... off. I just can't put my finger on it :-/
     
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    Not really relevant to this thread but apparently they have freaky paralysis ticks in Australia. Ya, get bit by one of those suckers and you go paralyzed. As if my fear of ticks couldn't get any worse.
     
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    That is one of what was 5 but is now 6 tick borne illnesses. The rash only presents in a small percentage. Ask if your person for the western blot test. I do not know what they call it for people.
     
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    Here's something else I found interesting. There are many different kinds of ticks, not all carry Lymes. That article you posted Smkie, really drives home the seriousness of these various diseases ticks can carry...really, really awful.

    http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=124286
     
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    After fighting this for 5 years I have read, been sent, blah blah more info on tick born illnesses than I ever cared to read. That pdf file is the most informative. Getting the right test, learning that a couple weeks of antibiotics is NOT enough, that it forms a cyst and can lie dormant and come back is really important to understand. You can have a dozen people with a dozen different symptoms and they can all be lyme..or masters disease, or babasia..and on and on and on. Get a vet that is well informed. I had one tell me "we don't have lyme in Missouri" when I was on year two and knew at least 5 people from the same area that caught it in the same area. I had the bullseye rash of all time, big as a dinner plate with red lines running through it, and my general practice Doctor told me "don't know what bit you". Later i got to hear, something is wrong with your immune system. You must have lupus, here have some steroids.
    They just rolled out the red carpet.

    Wear your tick protection, be informed. It just isn't time for denial if you care about the rest of your life at all. I will never get back the time that I have lost, and my poor stomach after all of this, I am amazed it hasn't given up the ghost. I am chronic, it almost did me in and thank goodness I was able to find a Doctor willing to treat me. He teaches in Columbia about immune systems and has been essential in keeping me going.
    I hate ticks.
     
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    Just to put the icing on your tick cake, that can happen in the US, too.

    Tick borne diseases act very differently in dogs than they do in people. In the vast, vast majority of cases dogs do not get sick at all or have mild disease.

    I ran this by an infectious disease guru and they were not even sure if ferrets could GET lyme, they've never seen it. Do you have deer ticks there? Not all ticks spread lyme and other tick borne diseases.
     
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    UM. WHAT. WHERE?! I am so never going hiking again...
     
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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,389803,00.html
     
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    Smkie, I know you've had one hell of a time with this. I do hope things are being managed better. Yeah, that doctor who gave you steroids:yikes:....Wrong thing to give for this immune system wrecker.
     
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    Well. There goes my plan to live on the west coast.
     
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    Besides the first 8 years of my life in New Jersey and about 10 years in Idaho, I've lived in western Washington for forty years. I've never had a tick on me. I can't imagine chosing not to live somewhere because of a tick. There are precautions that are talked about in these articles. There are so many things that have higher odds of hurting you than ticks. I know...try telling that to the people who have been affected by them. But really, it's not all that rampant.
     
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    We have so many ticks here it's not even funny. Everyone in my family and every dog we have owned has been diagnosed with at least lyme disease. My dogs personally have been diagnosed with eurlicha and anaplasmosis as well. My horse had eurlicha. We go hiking and I pull generally 12-24 ticks off of each dog before I put them back in the car. So yes, my want to avoid an area because of a disease carrying tick is not unfounded.
     
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    Deer ticks are possible, I've actually never *seen* a tick so I'm not sure what kind it was.

    There have only been a few cases of lyme in ferrets in NA, but it's thought that may be more because most don't go outside around here.

    And yes, it's definitely not a person.
     
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    can't imagine not seeing one. I have been bit three times this year alone and that is staying out of the woods. WE won't get near them from spring to frost. AFter that, a good hard killing frost we are good to go until March. Use to be april but not anymore. My brother saw one crawling across the table cloth in a restaurant once. Most of the people I know that got bit got bit in their own yards. Not even close to a wooded tall weeded section. My bite came from a hike. AN unprotected hike. Lyme has been found in a lot of countries, I don't know if I can find the map of how it has spread again or not. But I believe the statistics are an infected person ever six minutes. I will go see if I can find that link. Now we get a new one..the Midwest Virus. Oh joys. THe two men infected with the news virus were 60 miles apart so that leaves a lot of room in between. Have you ever seen how many ticks come out of one? Stuff of nightmares.

    With deer ticks, they can be so tiny you don't even know you were bit. I have a friend that had the paralyzing bite and was not treated as a tick borne illness, but it was misdiagnosed as an agent orange from his days of service. They have also found a lot of lyme the brains of deceased Alzheimer patients, ms too. THere is a lot of info out there, but it takes forever to get through it. Thing is we should all be paying attention and taking as many precautions as possible. WOUld it make me stay out of Missouri, if I Could go back and undo it, I don't know.I love the woods with all my heart, and so many of my most favorite memories with friends, with my dogs, are all wrapped up with hills and a canopy of green. Probably not, but I would go back and on that day, where the proper clothes, and use the proper sprays and would not go down in spring which is the worst.
     
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    Not the one I am looking for, but the numbers are the same.
    Seeing it go across the world is a bit mind blowing.

    http://www.lymediseaseassociation.o...ent&view=category&layout=blog&id=69&Itemid=36

    http://theconference.ca/the-spread-of-lyme-disease

    remember too that these are reported cases. THere are proabaly equally as many out there that are misdiagnosed as I was. There was nothing worse they could have done then to give me steroids. My doctor just didn't know. SHould have known, because this information was out there. I will never get the denial thing.
     
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    I didn't mean or say that it was unfounded. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where there were tornadoes. That's my "thing" that creeps me out a lot. Nothing wrong with choosing to live somewhere where there are not as many ticks.

    You implied something about wanting to move to the west coast. I said that I hadn't had any bad experiences with ticks here on the west coast where I live. I have pulled them off my Lab when we lived out in the country, but I never had any on me. I'm not sure, but I don't hear of that many incidents around here, but maybe there are. I just haven't seen that many, not even in north Idaho where I lived and hiked in wilderness areas.

    That is not to say that there is no chance, just that I never pulled 25 ticks out of my dog...only 2 or 3, maybe 4 in the 13 years I had her. ;)


    http://theconference.ca/the-spread-of-lyme-disease

    According to this map that Smkie posted, western Washington appears to be at low risk for Lymes. The other map on the other site looks contradictory. So, I don't know. All I know is that I've never had a tick on me, no symptoms of anything and I don't know anyone personally who has who lives around here. So, that is why, I guess, I'm not overly paranoid.
     
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    That's it. There are sprays and wearing more protective clothing could surely reduce the risk. Perhaps my not seeing them much is due to a different climate and environment. (?)
     
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    http://www.aldf.com/usmap.shtml


    http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/chartstables/reportedcases_statelocality.html



    Lyme Disease In Washington: Tick Surveillance
    In order to better understand Lyme disease in Washington, the Department of Health did surveillance and established Lyme disease as a reportable condition.





    This is interesting:

     
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