As another person said earlier in this thread, have a horse only trail. Keep horses off of multi use trails. That would solve the problem. Of course if that were done how long do you think it would be before the horse riders that use the trails for horses only see the horse poop as a problem and do horses actually step in this stuff or do they avoid it?
This is kind of crappy...
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WHat i find crappy is the people that leave behind their soda and water bottles, their trash. Tear apart the lookout by burning and tearing the boards, and the bones and stinking debris left from the poached deer. I would take horse droppings any day over what the humans leave. last time it was about 20 empty packages of sudefed right In the middle of our nature sanctuary.
Are you freakin serious?!
Do you have any idea how much goes into making horse trails and keeping them up? Do you realize that it is usually a horsemans council or trail rider group that raises the money to get it and keep it going? And we have to share it with inconsiderate people like you. That is what is ridiculous.
I don't like bikes and dogs on my horse trails. I wish they were not shared trails. Bikes can be quiet and when someone comes tearing around a corner into my horse I want to choke them. But I am usually having to settle my horse down.
Its poop. Nothing in it will hurt you. Get over it. It breaks down quickly and its not like dog poop.
Be a big boy and go walk your dog somewhere else if you don't like it. I am sure there are non horse trails in your area. We have very few horse parks left.
Do you have any idea how much goes into making horse trails and keeping them up? Do you realize that it is usually a horsemans council or trail rider group that raises the money to get it and keep it going? And we have to share it with inconsiderate people like you. That is what is ridiculous.
I don't like bikes and dogs on my horse trails. I wish they were not shared trails. Bikes can be quiet and when someone comes tearing around a corner into my horse I want to choke them. But I am usually having to settle my horse down.
Its poop. Nothing in it will hurt you. Get over it. It breaks down quickly and its not like dog poop.
Be a big boy and go walk your dog somewhere else if you don't like it. I am sure there are non horse trails in your area. We have very few horse parks left.
Victor walked within a foot of a horse when they both turned the bend on a tight trail..facing each other. It's the dirt bikes that rip the most damage around here. I see that someone is loading the path with small limbs..just high enough to not be a problem to step over. Whoever they are i am grateful for the effort. Broken glass is something i pick up every single time.
Look at it this way- it's a bridle path that other people can use- if they choose. So we could just ban the other people from the trail.
But what about the people who like the trail and don't give a **** about horse crap?
Which brings us back to... if you don't like the trail the way it is pick another one that is to your liking.
Life is so simple if you want it to be.
But what about the people who like the trail and don't give a **** about horse crap?
Which brings us back to... if you don't like the trail the way it is pick another one that is to your liking.
Life is so simple if you want it to be.
I think the thing that is confusing me the mot is, where are you riding your horses? Some seem to com across that they are riding on non-public property, like out in the country on trails. While others seem to come across that they are riding on heavely used, public trails where bikers, children, dogs, etc walk.
I doubt it would ever get to the point of horse people seeing their horse poop as a problem. As it has already been discussed in here, horse poop degrades fast, and it's dangerous to pick it up on a trail ride. It's not slippery, it's not stinky (well...I like the smell 
). I don't see how it would ever be a problem. People have been riding and not picking up poop for a long time, why would it suddenly be a problem for them?
). I don't see how it would ever be a problem. People have been riding and not picking up poop for a long time, why would it suddenly be a problem for them?"Keep horses off of multi use trails. That would solve the problem"
or you could just use NON multi use trails, YOU could use the trails that horses arnt allowed on...
if horse poop is that much of a problem, why dont you use the trails that are labled no horses...
there no trials around here that are "horses only" the trails that are horse frinedly actually state clearly they are multi use pathways, dogs must be on leash, and state clearly "warning horses may be present"
those that dont want to be around the horses get to use the trails that are RESTRICTED acess for no horses only...
they odn thave paths ONLY for horses, they instead just restrict SOME paths for none horse use...you want to walk on a multi use horse frinedly trail you are accepting that you may meet horses, horse poop and any number of other things...if the trail is open to horses you accept the horse poop...just like if a trail is next to a goose pond you accept there will be goose poop, and just like if you go walking on a trail where dogs are allowed you will meet strange dogs!
if you dont like it. YOU dont use a multi use trail, as i said before, there are plenty of people/dog frinedly trails but multi use/horse friendly paths are disseapearing rather quickly acrouss the world...
as for the comment on if its so good why dont we eat it...
if you eat organic anything, its grown in horse manure, horse, rabbit and cow are currently THE organic fertilizers...
you COULD eat it...why youd want to i dont know, but its simply partially digested grass, it would probably come out of you the same way it whent in just in a deifferent waste form, as the human body doesnt properly digest high fiber like grass and hay either...
you couldnt eat carniovre poop because of the bacteria, you would get VERY sick, where as most herbivore poop will just simply go through your system (and would be an impressive amount of fiber...
again, im MANY countries, they collect herbovore waste and use it for fule, fertilizer even making pottery and building houses!
and i wanted to add comments like "if its so good why ont you eat it" come across childish and immature...if you cant respond directly as a mature adult with facts, it might be better to say nothing at all than resort to "well go eat poop" comments...
i can honestly say i wasnt expecting that kind of responce from someone who seems like a mature adult...
without manure...thered BE no food, what do you think people used before comercial fertilizers came along...it sure as hell wasnt dog and human poop!
or you could just use NON multi use trails, YOU could use the trails that horses arnt allowed on...
if horse poop is that much of a problem, why dont you use the trails that are labled no horses...
there no trials around here that are "horses only" the trails that are horse frinedly actually state clearly they are multi use pathways, dogs must be on leash, and state clearly "warning horses may be present"
those that dont want to be around the horses get to use the trails that are RESTRICTED acess for no horses only...
they odn thave paths ONLY for horses, they instead just restrict SOME paths for none horse use...you want to walk on a multi use horse frinedly trail you are accepting that you may meet horses, horse poop and any number of other things...if the trail is open to horses you accept the horse poop...just like if a trail is next to a goose pond you accept there will be goose poop, and just like if you go walking on a trail where dogs are allowed you will meet strange dogs!
if you dont like it. YOU dont use a multi use trail, as i said before, there are plenty of people/dog frinedly trails but multi use/horse friendly paths are disseapearing rather quickly acrouss the world...
as for the comment on if its so good why dont we eat it...
if you eat organic anything, its grown in horse manure, horse, rabbit and cow are currently THE organic fertilizers...
you COULD eat it...why youd want to i dont know, but its simply partially digested grass, it would probably come out of you the same way it whent in just in a deifferent waste form, as the human body doesnt properly digest high fiber like grass and hay either...
you couldnt eat carniovre poop because of the bacteria, you would get VERY sick, where as most herbivore poop will just simply go through your system (and would be an impressive amount of fiber...
again, im MANY countries, they collect herbovore waste and use it for fule, fertilizer even making pottery and building houses!
and i wanted to add comments like "if its so good why ont you eat it" come across childish and immature...if you cant respond directly as a mature adult with facts, it might be better to say nothing at all than resort to "well go eat poop" comments...
i can honestly say i wasnt expecting that kind of responce from someone who seems like a mature adult...
without manure...thered BE no food, what do you think people used before comercial fertilizers came along...it sure as hell wasnt dog and human poop!
I ride out on the road where I live or go in the trailer to one of the three horse parks in about an hours drive.
Look in any horse magazine or talk to horse people and you will see what a problem it is to find a safe place to ride anymore.
There are very few bridle trails around anymore and they usually take a lot of work from a local horse group to keep going.
I have yet to see a horse trail say no dogs or bikes. Even if it is paid for by a horsemans council etc. They make multi use trails so every one can enjoy them where most parks do not allow horses.
Ok then dogs shouldn't be allowed on multi-use trails either, because they may not be friendly, someone may not pick up their poop, etc...
Want to sit and think how silly that sounds? Oh wait, because making riding more difficult doesn't affect you, it doesn't matter does it?
Well let's say that your dog is only allowed to walk on "dog specific" trails, where he can't encounter a biker, jogger, hikers, etc. Do YOU want to be restricted like that? I also don't want to hear anything about "my dog would never" or any of that nonsense. Look at it in an unbiased way and you'll see what I mean. What if dog only trails were far and few between?
Want to sit and think how silly that sounds? Oh wait, because making riding more difficult doesn't affect you, it doesn't matter does it?
Well let's say that your dog is only allowed to walk on "dog specific" trails, where he can't encounter a biker, jogger, hikers, etc. Do YOU want to be restricted like that? I also don't want to hear anything about "my dog would never" or any of that nonsense. Look at it in an unbiased way and you'll see what I mean. What if dog only trails were far and few between?
Amen :hail:. You cannot just leave a horse on it's own when you are cleaning it's poop. That's why people don't do it, because that could cause even more incident than it did in the first place! A bird could pop out of no where, spook the horse and he would run off. Then he could run off into the road and accidently get hit by a car, or create more damage in the city. I've seen it happen before, a horse was on the loose and damage two fire hydrants. Now imagine if that happened all because of someone like you, who is too irritated to just walk around the horse poop caused all that.
<sigh>... Please go back and read my entire post.
Let me see if I can put it another way...
It is Thursday night, about 10 PM, and a group of people are in a meeting room with the parks board. The folks in the room are a representative sampling of the people who use the multi-use trail at the local park. There are about a dozen people who walk the trail, 4 people who jog, 3 people who ride bikes on the trail, and 2 people who ride horses.
The meeting has been rather long, as the board gave everyone a chance to clearly state their positions.
Most of the walkers, joggers and bike riders have spent their time before the board complaining about the horse manure that is being left on the trail.
The folks who ride horses have clearly explained that horse manure is different than dog poop. While it is a solid waste, it is so unlikely to cause any health hazards that the EPA does not regulate it. In fact, the horse manure has so many nutrients, that some places use it as fertilizer.
In addition, the folks who ride horses have pointed out that getting on and off a horse without some sort of assistance can cause injury to the horse, and that when a rider is off the horse, cleaning up horse manure, there is a slightly increased likelyhood that the horse will rear, kick, or bolt - any of which might result in injury or death to the horse, the rider, or bystanders.
But most of the walkers, joggers, and bicycle riders have spent their time complaining about the horse poop left on the multi-use trail. One of them even brought in a printout of some horse rider rules of etiquette that says riders should get off the trail if the horse has to relieve itself, or, if that isn't possible, kick the manure off the trail.
As the meeting draws to an end, the president of the parks board stands to address the audience.
He might turn to the 20 or so people representing the folks who walk, jog, and bike and say "we understand your complaint about horse manure on the trails, but it is so inconvenient, unhealthy, unsafe, and unnecessary for horse riders to clean up after their horses that you folks who walk, jog and bike on the trail are just going to have to deal with it. If the horse manure really bothers you, maybe we can find a way for the park district to clean up after the horses."
Or he might look at the two people representing the horse riders and say something like "we understand your position completely and understand why you don't clean up after your horses, but the vast majority of the people who use the multi-use trails do not ride horses. As a result we feel we have no choice but to ban horses from trails used by walkers, joggers, or bicycle riders and restrict riders to 'horse only' trails."
When it comes to making a decision on whether or not horses can continue using a multi-use trail, what do you think will carry the day - a reasoned argument by horse riders, who account for about 4% of the usage of a multi-use trail, or the complaints about horse poop on the paths by the folks representing the other 96% of the multi-use trail users?
I live in a subdivision that used to be "out in the boonies." When I moved in 30 years ago, there was a pig farm about a mile or so to the west of me. I don't know when the pig farm was started, but it was here long before I moved in.
About 5 years after I moved in, other subdivisions sprang up in the area, and about 5 years after that...well, you guessed it - hearings were held to determine whether or not the pig farm should be closed down. I went to the hearings and was among the few who argued the pig farm should be left alone until the current owners died or decided to sell - because the pig farm was here first.
If horse riders continue to leave horse poop on multi-use paths in urban areas, sooner or later there's going to be a parks board meeting where both sides present their stories, and no matter how clearly the horse riders explain that it is unnecessary, unsafe, unhealthy, and inconvenient to clean up the manure, it isn't going to matter - because the board is going to vote to ban horses from multi-use trails.
If folks want to continue riding horses on multi-use trails, I'd suggest they stop talking about why it isn't possible for them to clean up the mess their horses make on those multi-use trails and start trying to figure out ways to get those multi-use paths cleaned.
If a rider isn't going to do anything to clean up a mess his horse makes on a multi-use trail, then maybe the rider should stay on horse-only trails. Otherwise, sooner or later, just as we dog owners are faced by "no dogs allowed" signs and that pig farmer was forced to see a "for sales" sign on his property, you'll be seeing "no horses allowed" signs on what used to be multi-use trails. And those horse riders who were willing to help keep the multi-use trails clean will no longer be able to use the paths... all because some of their fellow horse riders didn't recognize that horse poop on multi-use paths was a problem for many of the other folks who shared the multi-use trails.
Have a GREAT day!
Rob
Let me see if I can put it another way...
It is Thursday night, about 10 PM, and a group of people are in a meeting room with the parks board. The folks in the room are a representative sampling of the people who use the multi-use trail at the local park. There are about a dozen people who walk the trail, 4 people who jog, 3 people who ride bikes on the trail, and 2 people who ride horses.
The meeting has been rather long, as the board gave everyone a chance to clearly state their positions.
Most of the walkers, joggers and bike riders have spent their time before the board complaining about the horse manure that is being left on the trail.
The folks who ride horses have clearly explained that horse manure is different than dog poop. While it is a solid waste, it is so unlikely to cause any health hazards that the EPA does not regulate it. In fact, the horse manure has so many nutrients, that some places use it as fertilizer.
In addition, the folks who ride horses have pointed out that getting on and off a horse without some sort of assistance can cause injury to the horse, and that when a rider is off the horse, cleaning up horse manure, there is a slightly increased likelyhood that the horse will rear, kick, or bolt - any of which might result in injury or death to the horse, the rider, or bystanders.
But most of the walkers, joggers, and bicycle riders have spent their time complaining about the horse poop left on the multi-use trail. One of them even brought in a printout of some horse rider rules of etiquette that says riders should get off the trail if the horse has to relieve itself, or, if that isn't possible, kick the manure off the trail.
As the meeting draws to an end, the president of the parks board stands to address the audience.
He might turn to the 20 or so people representing the folks who walk, jog, and bike and say "we understand your complaint about horse manure on the trails, but it is so inconvenient, unhealthy, unsafe, and unnecessary for horse riders to clean up after their horses that you folks who walk, jog and bike on the trail are just going to have to deal with it. If the horse manure really bothers you, maybe we can find a way for the park district to clean up after the horses."
Or he might look at the two people representing the horse riders and say something like "we understand your position completely and understand why you don't clean up after your horses, but the vast majority of the people who use the multi-use trails do not ride horses. As a result we feel we have no choice but to ban horses from trails used by walkers, joggers, or bicycle riders and restrict riders to 'horse only' trails."
When it comes to making a decision on whether or not horses can continue using a multi-use trail, what do you think will carry the day - a reasoned argument by horse riders, who account for about 4% of the usage of a multi-use trail, or the complaints about horse poop on the paths by the folks representing the other 96% of the multi-use trail users?
I live in a subdivision that used to be "out in the boonies." When I moved in 30 years ago, there was a pig farm about a mile or so to the west of me. I don't know when the pig farm was started, but it was here long before I moved in.
About 5 years after I moved in, other subdivisions sprang up in the area, and about 5 years after that...well, you guessed it - hearings were held to determine whether or not the pig farm should be closed down. I went to the hearings and was among the few who argued the pig farm should be left alone until the current owners died or decided to sell - because the pig farm was here first.
If horse riders continue to leave horse poop on multi-use paths in urban areas, sooner or later there's going to be a parks board meeting where both sides present their stories, and no matter how clearly the horse riders explain that it is unnecessary, unsafe, unhealthy, and inconvenient to clean up the manure, it isn't going to matter - because the board is going to vote to ban horses from multi-use trails.
If folks want to continue riding horses on multi-use trails, I'd suggest they stop talking about why it isn't possible for them to clean up the mess their horses make on those multi-use trails and start trying to figure out ways to get those multi-use paths cleaned.
If a rider isn't going to do anything to clean up a mess his horse makes on a multi-use trail, then maybe the rider should stay on horse-only trails. Otherwise, sooner or later, just as we dog owners are faced by "no dogs allowed" signs and that pig farmer was forced to see a "for sales" sign on his property, you'll be seeing "no horses allowed" signs on what used to be multi-use trails. And those horse riders who were willing to help keep the multi-use trails clean will no longer be able to use the paths... all because some of their fellow horse riders didn't recognize that horse poop on multi-use paths was a problem for many of the other folks who shared the multi-use trails.
Have a GREAT day!
Rob
Are you absolutely sure about that?. I think if you go back to when the outhouse was in use when it was cleaned out I bet it made it's way into the vegetable garden. Also a little FYI, years ago I was in the fire company and we took a tour of the sewer plant to know where the hazards were. Well we used to also get calls to go their on a regular basis. They would stockpile the treated solid waste over grates that would draw the heat out of them. When they had to much of the treated solid waste they would just pile it up where they could and several times we were called because the pile caught fire.
The stuff is used as compost and fertilizer and as a matter of fact could actually be used for top soil and is around the sewer plant. That is why the grass is so green their and no weeds. As for the liquid waste that is used for the lawn sprinkler system with the excess being pumped out into the ocean and bay. That water is so clear it is actually only one step away from being drinkable.
They are using dog poop as fertilizer in Pennsylvania. If you go back through the pages you will find the link that I provided earlier when I mentioned it.
More FYI, They are using dog poop as fertilizer in Pennsylvania. If you go back through the pages you will find the link that I provided earlier when I mentioned it.
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actually AMISH PUPPYMILLERS are using dog poop as fertilizers and thats one of the reasons im very carefull about buying locally, carnivore waste can cause many issues with crops, and working in compost compiled of carnivore waste is incredibly hazardous to the farmers health!
just because the amish say its ok, does not mean thats correct, any bio major, farmer, ect will tell you just how dangerous using carnivore waste can be, home steaders, and those living self suffciently will have a seperate pile for carnivore pet waste, they will still let it break down into the earth, but that pile will be at the back of the property, away from the beds, using it on your vegatable patch is absolutly a health hazard.
horse, cow, pig, rabbit, llama, alpaca are traditional fertilizers...
those in PA dutch company using their puppymill waste on their feilds...*shudder* but then again they also think its ok to raise dogs in tiny rabbit hutches litter after litter ect...
a couple years of bio and a knowledge of an animals digestive system would lend a huge insight into why carnivore waste is so discutsing compared to a herbivores waste...
i do have an honest question for gramps...
why do you assume other have the same problem as you?
youve walked this trail once and you automatically assume other users of this trail must hate the fact that theres horse poop on the trail too?
what basis do you have to complain after using this trail once when other users obviously have used it for quite some time potentially without issue or problem with the horses use and manure...
do you have reason to belive that other Long time or regular users have the same issue with horse manure you seem to be having?
just because the amish say its ok, does not mean thats correct, any bio major, farmer, ect will tell you just how dangerous using carnivore waste can be, home steaders, and those living self suffciently will have a seperate pile for carnivore pet waste, they will still let it break down into the earth, but that pile will be at the back of the property, away from the beds, using it on your vegatable patch is absolutly a health hazard.
horse, cow, pig, rabbit, llama, alpaca are traditional fertilizers...
those in PA dutch company using their puppymill waste on their feilds...*shudder* but then again they also think its ok to raise dogs in tiny rabbit hutches litter after litter ect...
a couple years of bio and a knowledge of an animals digestive system would lend a huge insight into why carnivore waste is so discutsing compared to a herbivores waste...
i do have an honest question for gramps...
why do you assume other have the same problem as you?
youve walked this trail once and you automatically assume other users of this trail must hate the fact that theres horse poop on the trail too?
what basis do you have to complain after using this trail once when other users obviously have used it for quite some time potentially without issue or problem with the horses use and manure...
do you have reason to belive that other Long time or regular users have the same issue with horse manure you seem to be having?
Gramps, I am not going to quote your whole write up on the issue above and I get your point. A similar thing has happened here. Back in the 50's there was a chicken farm that was bought by someone who wanted to build a drag strip track. They opened the track and it was literally out in the middle of no where. Years later along come some builders who want to put up homes and so they do.
People buy the homes knowing full well that the race track is their and know how noisy it is. They move in and then start complaining about the noise. The racetrack was there first, people knew what they were getting into but now the race track has to put up a sound barrier wall at the beginning end of the track. People still complain and so more restrictions are put on the race track.
Recently I was talking to someone that lives in one of this houses and asked him if he heard any noise from there and he said he hears it all the time and loves it. He actually gets to go there for free anytime he wants because he lives in the area that is affected.
Now people can say well we have been riding horses on that trail before there were even people jogging on it. It will not matter because the board will go with the majority and side with them. They will ban horses from the trails before they ban joggers and bicyclists.
As for the trail I mentioned earlier horses are allowed but I personally have never seen a horse on it or even near it and perhaps that is because the horse riders know that they must clean up after their horse and just avoid using it.
People buy the homes knowing full well that the race track is their and know how noisy it is. They move in and then start complaining about the noise. The racetrack was there first, people knew what they were getting into but now the race track has to put up a sound barrier wall at the beginning end of the track. People still complain and so more restrictions are put on the race track.
Recently I was talking to someone that lives in one of this houses and asked him if he heard any noise from there and he said he hears it all the time and loves it. He actually gets to go there for free anytime he wants because he lives in the area that is affected.
Now people can say well we have been riding horses on that trail before there were even people jogging on it. It will not matter because the board will go with the majority and side with them. They will ban horses from the trails before they ban joggers and bicyclists.
As for the trail I mentioned earlier horses are allowed but I personally have never seen a horse on it or even near it and perhaps that is because the horse riders know that they must clean up after their horse and just avoid using it.
Yeah yeah, the majority wins because of whiners...I've seen it with BSL - people who think they're doing good but are only ****ing up things worse.
Same goes for your dog, you'll be seeing the same signs, whether or not YOU pick up your dog **** or not.
I think bicyclists should be banned, their tires can damage a fragile ecosystem ATV's too, and cars, planes, and horses...we should all walk!
Just keep in mind, anytime someone lobbies for something like this they are adding more restrictions for their own convenience. How selfish.
Same goes for your dog, you'll be seeing the same signs, whether or not YOU pick up your dog **** or not.
I think bicyclists should be banned, their tires can damage a fragile ecosystem
ATV's too, and cars, planes, and horses...we should all walk!Just keep in mind, anytime someone lobbies for something like this they are adding more restrictions for their own convenience. How selfish.