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I think al poop is groos, dog, cow, horse, human ect.
And I worked 3 years on a horse farm cleaning poop every day for 40+ horses. I do know it wont kill you and make you sick like dog. or else I would have died years ago when swinging poop would land in my mouth (yummy)
Only real problem I have with people not picking up the poop is when they ride through our dog park and leave the mess. Us dog people are getting in crap (haha) for it, and they are saying they may close down the dog park due to all the poop, which is horse poop, left behind. That I find rude. as now the only place close to home I can legally let my dog run around may shut down due to moron horse owners who ride through a dog park. I dont understand who rides through a dog park, but alot do lol
Same thing as the horses at the barn I worked. most were old retired horses. would pass by the same tractor every day, but one day a bag was stuck to it. OMG their world ended. it took all my might to hold back 2 horses I was walking so I wouldnt get pulled away with those 2 morons (I didnt like those 2 hoses they were brats allways lol)
And I worked 3 years on a horse farm cleaning poop every day for 40+ horses. I do know it wont kill you and make you sick like dog. or else I would have died years ago when swinging poop would land in my mouth (yummy)
Only real problem I have with people not picking up the poop is when they ride through our dog park and leave the mess. Us dog people are getting in crap (haha) for it, and they are saying they may close down the dog park due to all the poop, which is horse poop, left behind. That I find rude. as now the only place close to home I can legally let my dog run around may shut down due to moron horse owners who ride through a dog park. I dont understand who rides through a dog park, but alot do lol
Same thing as the horses at the barn I worked. most were old retired horses. would pass by the same tractor every day, but one day a bag was stuck to it. OMG their world ended. it took all my might to hold back 2 horses I was walking so I wouldnt get pulled away with those 2 morons (I didnt like those 2 hoses they were brats allways lol)
I did answer. . . .
I did not know that horse poop had different bacteria than dog poop. I have since learn that from Foxy's insightful post. As I've pointed out in my lastest posts, I'm not sure where I stand on horse poop not being cleaned up. I think some instances it should be, but other instances it's valid that it's dangerous. So I haven't completely formed an opinion on when/if it's right.
I did not know that horse poop had different bacteria than dog poop. I have since learn that from Foxy's insightful post. As I've pointed out in my lastest posts, I'm not sure where I stand on horse poop not being cleaned up. I think some instances it should be, but other instances it's valid that it's dangerous. So I haven't completely formed an opinion on when/if it's right.
I could list 100 things (to use as an example, otherwise I could list more) that humans do to this planet and to be inconsiderate or irresponsible. I could easily list 100 things and not picking up poop from their animals would not be one of them. Picking up poop would not fit into the 100 things because there are so manyworse things people do.
The way people drive here in Seattle is just one tip of the iceburg. They are so rude, so inconsiderate, unaccomidating. I mean, I am astounded at the aggressiveness. That's way worse than leaving poo on a trail. It's downright deadly dangerous.
People have cars that leak oil something awful. If you're one of them, do you clean up after yourself on the roads and parking lots? That's not only gross, it is destroying our planet, something horse poo isn't. Do you fertilize your lawn with artificial fertilizer or spray for insects. That is inconsiderate of me. I am offended that you would put that poison into the planet that you share with me and let fertilizer and pesticide get into the water I drink. Harumph!
Like I said, everyone is offended by something someone does. If it's not over the top dangerous or horrible, freakin deal with it. Or walk somewhere else where horse doo doo isn't likely to be. If you're a city person, stay in the city. If you are a country person who truly appreciates nature, you won't mind horse poo.
The way people drive here in Seattle is just one tip of the iceburg. They are so rude, so inconsiderate, unaccomidating. I mean, I am astounded at the aggressiveness. That's way worse than leaving poo on a trail. It's downright deadly dangerous.
People have cars that leak oil something awful. If you're one of them, do you clean up after yourself on the roads and parking lots? That's not only gross, it is destroying our planet, something horse poo isn't. Do you fertilize your lawn with artificial fertilizer or spray for insects. That is inconsiderate of me. I am offended that you would put that poison into the planet that you share with me and let fertilizer and pesticide get into the water I drink. Harumph!
Like I said, everyone is offended by something someone does. If it's not over the top dangerous or horrible, freakin deal with it. Or walk somewhere else where horse doo doo isn't likely to be. If you're a city person, stay in the city. If you are a country person who truly appreciates nature, you won't mind horse poo.
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Here is to finding not exactly legal places to let my dogs run. I live in suburbia USA..yet there are 4 heavily wooded areas where no one cares. One I played as a child..and it is still unchanged. Was there yesterday. I don't know about other areas but if I can find 4 here..there has to be more other places. I make sure we are not a nuisance. I go at off hours when for sure no one will be there. THere is a way because we make it work. ANd if we run into a horse...I don't care. I am so grateful to be able to slip off the leashes and let them be real dogs that I will even clean up the trash along the way and drop it off somewhere. Once a police officer got out of a truck and I gulped figuring i was dead now for sure. But he put his hand up and said "don't worry. I am doing the same thing you are doing" and then i saw the dog boxes in the back of the truck. He had training equipment in his hand. You do what you have to do. I guess if the parks are going to close because of horse poop and horse people want to keep it that accessible they will do what they have to do as well. IN the meantime, look around and talk to people to find the little outskirt places for dogs where they can run and have a real good time. THat is what we do here. ONce recall is a hundred percent and all dog aggression issues are worked out. IT took Pepper a year before she was a hundred percent, but we got there and it was all worth it. THis morning they had a grand run. DO everyone a favor and pick up the broken glass as you go along. THe wild life will thank you too. No one needs a cut paw.
THe wild life will thank you too. No one needs a cut paw.
I was taking lessons one summer and one morning as I was trotting around the ring on this mare, someone moved a folding chair two inches to the right of where it had been. That horse lost her mind when we went to pass it the next time and I had a hell of a time staying in the saddle (was riding English jumper that day). Got her settled down, let her have a look and off we went. Very next pass, she flipped out again over the same chair, which hadn't moved. After the third time, the instructor made me dismount, lead the horse over and then while I held her, he sat in the chair and talked to her for a second. He helped me remount and then she was totally fine.
Heres my view of this whole thing.
yes, horse poop is gross. its not something i want to see everywhere, regardless of wether it doesn't have bacteria or w/e.. its disgusting. its poop. I dont want to have to see it everywhere just because little sally may and flicka want to ride around the park all day.
but is having it picked up worth riders/horses getting hurt? No.
as for the mounting/dismounting thing, this is the first time ive EVER heard of that being dangerous.. people do it all the time. In movies, around campus here, pretty much anytime you see people getting on/off horses. the only time ive ever seen a stool/bench used is with lessons for little kids.
but regardless, holding on to a 1000 pound animal or tying it to a tree while you pick up poop.. is not ideal.
there HAS to be a compromise, its just gonna take effort to find one that works for all parties involved
maybe having people who ride their horses on the trail pay admission to enter the park/trail. this would go to pay the salary of some guy whose job it would be to go around the trail and pick up horse poop.
As has been mentioned, horse trails are few and far between, so i'm sure those who really want to trail ride with their horses would have no problem paying a small fee for poop patrol. afterall, regardless of what has been said, its your horse and your responsibility to clean up the mess that they make.
this "its not our problem, its impossible for us to clean it up. too bad so sad. step around it" attitude is really whats getting/going to get horse riding in public places prohibited everywhere.
yes, horse poop is gross. its not something i want to see everywhere, regardless of wether it doesn't have bacteria or w/e.. its disgusting. its poop. I dont want to have to see it everywhere just because little sally may and flicka want to ride around the park all day.
but is having it picked up worth riders/horses getting hurt? No.
as for the mounting/dismounting thing, this is the first time ive EVER heard of that being dangerous.. people do it all the time. In movies, around campus here, pretty much anytime you see people getting on/off horses. the only time ive ever seen a stool/bench used is with lessons for little kids.
but regardless, holding on to a 1000 pound animal or tying it to a tree while you pick up poop.. is not ideal.
there HAS to be a compromise, its just gonna take effort to find one that works for all parties involved
maybe having people who ride their horses on the trail pay admission to enter the park/trail. this would go to pay the salary of some guy whose job it would be to go around the trail and pick up horse poop.
As has been mentioned, horse trails are few and far between, so i'm sure those who really want to trail ride with their horses would have no problem paying a small fee for poop patrol. afterall, regardless of what has been said, its your horse and your responsibility to clean up the mess that they make.
this "its not our problem, its impossible for us to clean it up. too bad so sad. step around it" attitude is really whats getting/going to get horse riding in public places prohibited everywhere.
I'd be more in favor of putting up a volunteer sign-up sheet for clean-up duty. Those who are responsible riders will take their turns and those who are b*tching the loudest should have to take their turn as well. If you're going to whine and complain about something that hasn't been a big deal until you decided it was something to whine and complain about, then buck up and do something about it. Otherwise, sit down and shut up.
We had this at the dog park I used to go to...every so often there would be a posting about a huge clean-up, coffee and donuts provided, and a big group of people would show up with pooper scoopers and rolling trashcans and clean up the biggest "drop" areas, which was typically right by the gate and did pose an issue. It smelled horrible and looked even worse, but this was from countless dogs doing their business right away and then taking off, with the owners being carefully clueless as to what their dog was doing.
We had this at the dog park I used to go to...every so often there would be a posting about a huge clean-up, coffee and donuts provided, and a big group of people would show up with pooper scoopers and rolling trashcans and clean up the biggest "drop" areas, which was typically right by the gate and did pose an issue. It smelled horrible and looked even worse, but this was from countless dogs doing their business right away and then taking off, with the owners being carefully clueless as to what their dog was doing.
I've never heard that mounting and dismounting hurts a horse, as long as he's big enough for you and sound enough. And I've had horses since I was a kid, until recently. Anyhow, be that as it may, I have gotten off my horse many times while riding and perhaps leading him part of the way, just to relieve my aching back or whatever. I even had to pee one time on a very long ride and just held the reins and had the horse that many feet away (however long the reins were) and prayed that she wouldn't do anything crazy while I was in mid stream.:rofl1: But when ya gotta go, ya gotta go and when you're out in the middle of nowhere, what are you going to do?
I've sometimes gotten off to picked berries to eat, to re-adjust my cinch or maybe lengthen my stirrups to relieve my achin' knees. I've used my hand clippers to clip black berry vines away from across the trail. I think I wrapped the sharp end in a rag and tied it onto my western saddle that had raw hide strings on it for tying things on. When I was a kid, I rode bareback and went out into the woods to cut down a tiny Xmas tree my parents allowed me to have in my bedroom. I carried a hatchet all wrapped up in a rag and tied. I held that in one hand and the reins in the other hand. I could leap up on my big almost 16 hand, muscle-man palimino and rode like a little Indian. (I couldn't do that now. LOL) And that horse was really about as close to bomb proof as you can get. I would probably want to have both hands available when riding my Arabian horses I had as an adult.
Of course, even with my skittish Arabians, I would still let go of the reins to light a cigarette while on board. Everytime I'd stop to do that, I gave a piece of carrot to the horse. It was like our little break. As soon as I'd flick my lighter, she'd turn her head way around, like, "Oh good....now where's my carrot. LOL." There's that good old, associative learning.
So, yeah, it might be fine to get off, kick the poo off to the side of the road and get back on. Putting it into a plastic bag? Carrying a shovel? No way. Do you know the out-put of a horses bowel contents and how many times he poops on one ride?????? ROFLOL. Pretty impractical and really unnecessary, as it was mentioned....in a day or two, will disappear the poo. hahahahaha.
And btw...horses can and do carry tentanus, so no....it's not entirely germ free. But who's going to eat it? Just my Lab, Bonnie. She loved those road apples. Never got sick either from a little snacking out in my pasture.
Anyhow, there are more important things to worry about IMO. And much, much worser things to get offended over.
I've sometimes gotten off to picked berries to eat, to re-adjust my cinch or maybe lengthen my stirrups to relieve my achin' knees. I've used my hand clippers to clip black berry vines away from across the trail. I think I wrapped the sharp end in a rag and tied it onto my western saddle that had raw hide strings on it for tying things on. When I was a kid, I rode bareback and went out into the woods to cut down a tiny Xmas tree my parents allowed me to have in my bedroom. I carried a hatchet all wrapped up in a rag and tied. I held that in one hand and the reins in the other hand. I could leap up on my big almost 16 hand, muscle-man palimino and rode like a little Indian. (I couldn't do that now. LOL) And that horse was really about as close to bomb proof as you can get. I would probably want to have both hands available when riding my Arabian horses I had as an adult.
Of course, even with my skittish Arabians, I would still let go of the reins to light a cigarette while on board. Everytime I'd stop to do that, I gave a piece of carrot to the horse. It was like our little break. As soon as I'd flick my lighter, she'd turn her head way around, like, "Oh good....now where's my carrot. LOL." There's that good old, associative learning.
So, yeah, it might be fine to get off, kick the poo off to the side of the road and get back on. Putting it into a plastic bag? Carrying a shovel? No way. Do you know the out-put of a horses bowel contents and how many times he poops on one ride?????? ROFLOL. Pretty impractical and really unnecessary, as it was mentioned....in a day or two, will disappear the poo. hahahahaha.
And btw...horses can and do carry tentanus, so no....it's not entirely germ free. But who's going to eat it? Just my Lab, Bonnie. She loved those road apples. Never got sick either from a little snacking out in my pasture.
Anyhow, there are more important things to worry about IMO. And much, much worser things to get offended over.
Joe had just emptied his flat bed and was about to head on back to the garage.
"Hey Joe!" his boss yelled, "Phyllis wants to know if you'll bring these buckets of potting soil back with you."
"Sure thing!" Joe called back, and set the 7 buckets on the back of his flat bed.
Pulling out onto the Lincoln Highway, Joe reached down and cranked up the volume on the truck's stereo. Joe was enjoying the music so much that he never even noticed when the flatbed hit a small bump and one of the buckets fell off the truck.
The guy driving behind Joe noticed, though. Swerving to avoid hitting the bucket of potting soil that was bouncing down the road, that guy clipped the front end of a small pickup truck that was in the next lane. The driver of the pickup truck slammed on his brakes, which in turn forced the driver of a Coor's beer delivery truck to slam on his brakes. The Coors truck went into a spin, spewing hundreds of cans of Coors onto the highway. As traffic ground to a halt, a bunch of drivers left their cars, yelled "Free Beer!" and started scooping up the unexpected bounty.
When Joe pulled into the garage, Phyllis called out, "Hey Joe, how'd you get here so fast? The radio says there's a real problem on the Lincoln Highway."
Pausing from unloading the 6 buckets of potting soil, Joe says "problem on the highway? No ma'am, I didn't see no problem on the highway."
If you'd been standing real close to Joe just then, you might have heard him mutter, "I could have sworn I loaded 7 buckets. I must be getting senile."
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The fact that the guy in front isn't aware there is a problem behind him is not an absolute guarantee that no problems exist.
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"Hey Joe!" his boss yelled, "Phyllis wants to know if you'll bring these buckets of potting soil back with you."
"Sure thing!" Joe called back, and set the 7 buckets on the back of his flat bed.
Pulling out onto the Lincoln Highway, Joe reached down and cranked up the volume on the truck's stereo. Joe was enjoying the music so much that he never even noticed when the flatbed hit a small bump and one of the buckets fell off the truck.
The guy driving behind Joe noticed, though. Swerving to avoid hitting the bucket of potting soil that was bouncing down the road, that guy clipped the front end of a small pickup truck that was in the next lane. The driver of the pickup truck slammed on his brakes, which in turn forced the driver of a Coor's beer delivery truck to slam on his brakes. The Coors truck went into a spin, spewing hundreds of cans of Coors onto the highway. As traffic ground to a halt, a bunch of drivers left their cars, yelled "Free Beer!" and started scooping up the unexpected bounty.
When Joe pulled into the garage, Phyllis called out, "Hey Joe, how'd you get here so fast? The radio says there's a real problem on the Lincoln Highway."
Pausing from unloading the 6 buckets of potting soil, Joe says "problem on the highway? No ma'am, I didn't see no problem on the highway."
If you'd been standing real close to Joe just then, you might have heard him mutter, "I could have sworn I loaded 7 buckets. I must be getting senile."
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The fact that the guy in front isn't aware there is a problem behind him is not an absolute guarantee that no problems exist.
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why are the horsemen & women being so obtuse? pull your heads out and listen to what we are saying. no one here is advocating banning horses from multiuse trails (hell i'm too lazy to make the effort even if i felt that way) what we are saying is if you don't make the ffort to train your horses to either accept a diaper or stay calm & still while you get rid of the poop then you will lose your trails until the only place left for you is wilderness trails you have to have a truck, trailer & gas money to get to. when little johnny steps in it his mom doesn't give a rats @$$ how harmless horse poop is because it is in fact POOP. and she has nothing better to do with her time than to get you banned. getting your undies in wad at the messenger doesn't change the message. getting mad at the messenger & ignoring the message puts you in the same class w/ the lab owners who think pit bull bans don't affect them.
In all seriousness there was an ice cream truck (the kind that stops for the kids in the summer) that was in an accident on it's side. Ice cream all over the place and in the wrappers to. Not one kid was allowed to take any of it because the cops would not let them even though it was going to be trashed anyway and was trashed on the spot.
Now what does that have to do with this thread...absolutely nothing but it is a true story
Now what does that have to do with this thread...absolutely nothing but it is a true story
