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Discussion in 'Buried Bones' started by Renee750il, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. Yet again....

    This is the very reason I am leaving this forum.

    This is a forum this, this is a forum that. We get it already! It's a **** forum!!!

    What people are trying to tell you is that letting people stay here that believe in drowning dogs and beating them and breeding a thousand puppies and then go ahead and boast about how they do it is ridiculous!!!

    Get it now???

    Like I said, this place has turned into a numbers thing. It is all of a sudden about quantity NOT quality, like it used to be.

    I don't give a crap about discussions or arguements. What I do care about is when a, what used to be quality forum, all of a sudden has no problems having the scum of the earth here and lets them spew their crap about.
     
  2. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Actually, we've allowed the members to - by and large - deal with those sorts of training and ethical issues, and, in large part, most have been extremely effective and used good arguments and rational thoughts and have avoided the pitfalls of personal terms like "scum" and sensational, National Enquirer-esque (or Rovian, or Goebbel-esque) tactics such as comparing them to child molesters, as if beating and holding a dog under water isn't heinous enough to be condemned for its own sake. That sort of manipulative, hysterical rhetoric doesn't achieve anything other than to make the user of lose credibility.
     
  3. Debi

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    sometimes people have to be made aware of the evil in the world to obtain the good. and I think people understand the good in your posts against that very evil. dog lovers in general do want to do what is best for their pet. they'll see that when you post against what you hate most.
     
  4. shadowfacedanes

    shadowfacedanes *Biter*

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    I think that is the whole point....they are NOT condemned. They are welcomed to continue posting their slop, while they summon other folks from other forums to come over and support them and then they carry on find and dandy. Next thing you know, the thread in in shambles and they just go start another one.

    Freedom of speech is one thing. Allowing someone to discuss barbaric methods and call the rest of us animal lovers "less" of a pet owner because we don't hit our pets....well, I shouldn't even have to comment on that.

    ...Que sera...:confused:
     
  5. Doberluv

    Doberluv Active Member

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    Lose credibility? Whoever sees a loss of credibility for the upholding of standards of good over evil, of right over wrong, of moral over immoral, of cruelty over kindness, regardless of the adjectives they use, are not people from which credibility is of value. Are there really that many people who can not make a distinction between those things? Is everything just one big gray area? No right or wrong answer. Is everything up to interreptation? That is what is wrong with this world, why criminals get more rights than the victims often times. No standards to live by. Why would someone who is able to see a distinction between good and evil need to see crediblity thereof anyway? And for those who can't, as I mentioned before....empathy will not be replentished by credibility for those who never had it.
     
  6. Purdue#1

    Purdue#1 Guest

    know your words please:


    empathy

    1.Direct identification with, understanding of, and vicarious experience of another person's situation, feelings, and motives.

    2.The projection of one's own feelings or emotional state onto an object or animal.
     
  7. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Being allowed to speak their piece is NOT the same as being welcomed.

    And, I remember that some of you were every bit as vehemently dead set against some of our good APBT friends when they first joined us.

    Do I like the practices some of these people preach? Hardly, and I have stated such, as have numerous others here. As unwelcome as that contingent is, they will likely get bored with pissing up a rope here and go find someplace else to try to find converts. Or, they'll enjoy all their ability to lead some of you around by the nose and keep you busy lashing out at everything and everyone who doesn't do EVERYTHING your way. And laughing at you.

    For a bunch who advocates positive reinforcement training you sure are quick with the harsh words and corrections and clamoring for the forum equivalent of choke chains and staves.
     
  8. Gee a tad p!ssy are we? We stand for things and refuse to be part of something that is allowing people here that abuse and neglect animals. People that will give other people advice that come here.

    Since when did standing up for what is right become such a crime to you people.

    Maybe we should all just sit back and let them do and say what they want. Yeah that'll fix things.

    IMO if someone comes here that admits to abusing dogs they should be gone. No if's, and's or but's.

    Comparing our feelings of this forum to using choke chains and staves is kind of stupid actually.

    I am sorry if some of you are mad because certain people left. People that have been here for a very long time. Obviously if those people leave there IS something wrong.

    By the way, shouldn't things said in the Mod forum stay between mods and not put out here for everyone to read about?

    Carrie, has been a wonderful member here and a great mod. She has helped sooooo many people with training issues etc. For people to sit here and talk bad about her because she has a different mindset on a certain subject just goes to show how some of the people here REALLY are and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
     
  9. smkie

    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    I was thinking that earlier, i wonder if the person that "trolled" this into a froth is sitting back and laughing there heads off.THis is a meal AND dessert. Why can't people disagree about things and stay civil? I disagree with a lot of opinions on here but i don't find it necessary to call out names. Or to keep drama going on forever. I know this thread has become an unpleasant task, to read through. Just more of the same thing that has been ground into dust.ANd that is a shame, i think i would rather read about dogs. Guess i will head to the dog chat and see what is happening around there. THat is what i love about a forum. If you find something you don't like, your perfectly welcome to do something else.
     
  10. jess2416

    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    If people want to be civil to people that beat their dogs and half-drown them, or to people that are puppy-millers then be my guest...

    I for one will have no part of being civil to someone like that...

    I'm done..

    Carry on..
     
  11. sparks19

    sparks19 I'd rather be at Disney

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    My opinion.....

    State your opinion and move on.....

    If you want to leave the forum.... leave. no one is stopping you. If you don't want to see the cr@p posted by people who don't agree with your ways or whom you disagree with.... ignore them or stop reading the threads.

    You all seem to be getting pretty "p!ssy" that things aren't going YOUR way. I'm sorry but all I see is a bunch of p!ssing and moaning about how the forum should conform to your beliefs and no one else should be allowed to say otherwise. And PLEASE don't tell me I am missing the point.... I am not missing the point.... I am just not telling you what you want to hear. I am with Renee on this one. there is no need to censor the forum. If you can't deal with that then perhaps you would be better off not participating in open discussion.

    But IMO Chaz has NOT changed since the day I joined it. There will ALWAYS be people who make you angry.... there will ALWAYS be people who preach methods you strongly disagree with..... There will ALWAYS be people saying "I am leaving this forum and never coming back".... and there will ALWAYS be those same people returning to the forum after taking a break and calming down. the forum has NOT changed.... it's always been the same. Times sometimes get tough around here whether it's the newbies or long standing members that are the cause.

    But in the end YOU are in charge of what you see, believe, and feel.... YOU are in charge of what threads you read and how you respond to them.... YOU are in charge of reporting posts or ignoring members you disagree with.... YOU are in charge of making the forum a pleasant place for YOU. Don't expect the mods to police every little thing just because it puts a knot in your panties. YOU handle your own grievances with the ignore feature or by simply NOT opening a thread.

    But I know I know.... I'm missing the point right?
     
  12. HoundedByHounds

    HoundedByHounds Oh, it's *you*

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    savethe...if I may be so bold...you made similar statements at other forums...for different reasons...

    Maybe forums in general, at least public ones...just aren't your thing? Have you considered that aspect? Not everyone is a "forum" person...and if you find yourself leaving forum after forum in this huff or that...slinging profanity or insults as you have here...maybe it's not the forums? Maybe it's just not for you?
     
  13. blue

    blue Jerk.

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    Im still suprised I wasnt banned for one of the first threads I started, as I would have been on other forums.

    And somehow a short while later I was asked to be a mod.
     
  14. Ummmm funny!!! Especially considering I don't go to any other forums! I don't know where or how you are getting your info but you are WAY WRONG! I have been to dog.com a couple times and that is about it.

    Me slinging profanity and insults? What about all the backstabbing and b!tching people have done to and about Carrie??

    It's fine, you can think I am a whackjob for not wanting to be part of a forum where animal abusers and puppymillers are allowed to come and discuss their horrible (as someone here called it) "beliefs".

    It is also funny that someone brought up mods policing everything that goes on. I got a warning for telling FK that is was unethical to sell dogs on NextDayPets! To me it seems they are policing every little thing. I get a warning for that yet idiots can come here and say "I half drown my dog to teach it to not dig holes in my yard and you should too!" and get away with it.

    Yeah that makes a TON of sense to me.:rolleyes:
     
  15. blue

    blue Jerk.

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    Basicly this is an open forum, not a closed forum where you are going to be tased for harassing John Kerry.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. chazhound

    chazhound Alpha Dog Staff Member

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    Jaclyn,
    You have seemed to make this thread all about you and Carrie.
    I will tolerate a bit but not when you speak of what Chazhound represents. You don't know me or what I stand for and don't speak for Chazhound.

    To suggest that Chazhound would condone puppymills or dog abusers is plain not true. I take that as a personal insult for the ones who has built Chazhound. Especially when you didn't report any abusive members or actions. Why didn't you report right off if it was bad.

    Your idea of an dog abuser may be very different from what we find. I can find no evidence of dog abuse that has been reported to me. If you have some prove of dog abusers on Chazhound I would love to have it.

    Chazhound
     
  17. jess2416

    jess2416 Who woulda thought

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    Whats the point of reporting anything, when people get told over and over again that everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion is ok that people half-drown dogs and hit them with sticks while training, and dont see a problems with dogs living in cages and breeding them every chance they get)

    But I guess thats ok, cause they get to have an opinion cause this is an Open forum right... Guess it doesnt matter that some people actually care right ??





    and Sparks Im not even going to go there with you, but your one to be talking...
     
  18. Squishy22

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    :hail: :hail:

    I have to say that I agree with renee, sparks, and chazhound on this one.

    If some people don't want to be apart of an open forum such as chaz, then why did they become members in the first place?

    Like renee said... letting a person speak their piece is NOT the same thing as welcoming them. In fact, I am sure any animal abuser who does happen to come here feels very unwelcomed.

    I am sure I will be hated by some members for what I just said, but hey, its my own opinion.

    Thats all.
     
  19. CanadianK9

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    I think your ALL missing the point, your all argueing over what we should all think and what we should not, when truly it should be about dogs, wellness, betterment, and happiness.

    Argueing over it all is taking away from what we should be focussing on, its sad really, I will take no part in this discussion anymore as I see it as silly now

    K9 out
     
  20. HoundedByHounds

    HoundedByHounds Oh, it's *you*

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    Rrrright...lol, as more profanity slings forth. One of the first things people on the defensive do is deflect blame and use misdirection. My kiddos, 6 and 4 y/o BTW, do that a lot...mostly when they know they've done something worth being defensive about.

    "Yeah...but she did this that or the other!", "Why doesn't xxx ever get in trouble...it's not fair!" etc

    I ask again...have you considered that perhaps public forums...in general...are not the best choice for you? Maybe something private and super moderated...maybe you could even start one yourself?
     

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