This does not sit well with me...

[~Jessie~]

The only reason I say this is because unlike many other types of criminals, these monsters are well known for being unable to be rehabilitated. They notoriously re-offend over and over and over again. The statistics for their improvement are miniscule. It's way too high a risk to turn them loose in society. The offense is way too heinous to risk it. The results to the victims are astronomical in proportion to some other kinds of crimes...not murder, but some non-dangerous or not directly dangerous crimes.

Many criminals aren't rehabiliated- I definitely think we need an overhaul of the US prison systems. Putting criminals with other criminals generally breeds more crime, but that's a whole different topic.

What should happen to sex offenders after they get out of prison? Should they be exiled to a "sex offender island"? Should they be locked in some sort of compound?

It's easier to re-offend if you're labeled as an offender. You move into a house and EVERYONE knows you're a sex offender. You apply for a job, and your employer knows. Why even try to change? You already have that label- it doesn't matter if you stay "clean" for the rest of your life or re-offend.

 

[Doberluv]

I'm talking about destroying lives, molesting children and raping, not an 18 year old dating a 16 year old or someone peeing in a bush. I thought I made that pretty plain, but maybe you got me wrong, thinking I would want to hang an 18 year old kid who had a 16 year old girlfriend.

Yes, it is something that has been clamped down on compared to men raping their wives and they way these crimes were thought of in the earlier centuries for sure. But I believe that people are still too ready to focus on rights for the monsters and not enough on the rights of the victims and the rights of the rest of society. Not enough has been done. There is still more to do.

 

[release the hounds]

The only problem with that is not all sex offenders are created equal. it's a catch all term that puts probably 25% or more of guys in high school in the offender catagory just by having girlfriends younger than they are.

Sometimes grabbing a girl in the butt labels you as a sex offender, or making a lewd comment. Sometimes taking a leak behind a garbage bin gets you labled. That's a huge jump from those things to being a rapist or child molester.

That being said, there is this thing called due process and serving your time. Things done by people with intimate knowledge of that particular situation. I'm not claiming it's perfect, but it's certianly a better system than a pissed off citizen using entrapment and a shotgun to dole out punishments.

 

[ACooper]

Not enough has been done. There is still more to do.

On that, I can definitely agree. But that will be true in 50 years, and 100 years, and so on. We will never get things just right, LOL, we are humans after all

 

[Doberluv]

I found out last night that my mom's neighbor is a sex offender. And I'm not talking neighbor as in a couple miles down the road, I'm talking close enough to have a convo while on your front porches without screaming through microphone. That close.

He was convicted in Florida but now lives here in Georgia.

His conviction? Lewd Lavaticious (?) Acts with a child under 16.
My mom has custody of my 5 year old niece and my 4 year old nephew.

Needless to say, my mom and stepdad are not thrilled about this. At. All.
And neither am I.

I know everyone has different views on sex offenders, but I think my mom should of at least been notified that he was a S.O.
And he has 3 kids under the age of 16.

Would you be worried if he, or any other sex offender, was living that close to your house?

Anyhow, I never addressed your thread Dak. I feel for you and your Mom. It is very creepy and will require over and above diligence and supervision, as I know you know. I would totally see this as a big deal. And yes, we don't ever know who anyone is and any neighbor could be a bad guy who hasn't been caught yet. But when you know for a fact that the guy next door has done this kind of thing, naturally, it brings it all up close and personal. Of course, you're going to get a creepy feeling all over. Anyone who doesn't get creeped out, even just a little...well, I don't know what to say....

I think the other neighbors definitely have the right to know if this is not a case of peeing in a bush or having had a girlfriend underage. If this has been a dangerous crime, then yes, the neighbors should be aware. What if some kid (even a 12 year old can be molested) gets lured into his house some day and gets raped and threatened not to tell. Is he rehabilitated? I doubt it. I think it's woven into their fabric. Maybe he can restrain himself for a period of time. But is all this iffiness okay with anyone?

No, I don't think you have to live in fear. No one should have to live like that. But to know what's going on lets people be as prepared as they can be and take the appropriate steps to stay safe.

 

[Greenmagick]

I dont know if true sex offenders should ever be released...it is a very worrisome situation as yes, the vast majority to re-offend. I definitely think they should be on the list for life. I am very "sensitive" to this right now as for the last week I have read a ton of serial killer and psychology insights on it (thanks to chaz btw lol...the child of rage thread got me started). It is very sobering how many serial killers had been jailed before for sex offenses, often multiple time. So, yeah, we still have a ways to go.....

BUT, again, not all sex crimes are created equal. Some people may have a chance at rehab (which is not going to happen in jail, jail at best does nothing, at worst makes them worse!), some people may not be truly guilty. I know someone very close to me who was accused of it. I know without a doubt he is innocent. The child is a known liar (which I hate to say as something is causing him tao act out that way) and he picked a safe person to make up some stories about. (At first they talked about touching etc but then the stories warped into parts being "eaten" etc. And this child had NEVER been alone with the person accused). The parents let a couple people know but decided not to pursue it as they dont believe it either (Same child has told teachers his grandma tried to kill him, and other crazy stories. Truth be told, I am very worried for the child). But, my point is, if the parents had pushed it, this person may have been found guilty

 

[Doberluv]

Many criminals aren't rehabiliated- I definitely think we need an overhaul of the US prison systems. Putting criminals with other criminals generally breeds more crime, but that's a whole different topic.

What should happen to sex offenders after they get out of prison? Should they be exiled to a "sex offender island"? Should they be locked in some sort of compound?

It's easier to re-offend if you're labeled as an offender. You move into a house and EVERYONE knows you're a sex offender. You apply for a job, and your employer knows. Why even try to change? You already have that label- it doesn't matter if you stay "clean" for the rest of your life or re-offend.

No, many aren't rehabilitated, bank robbers rob again, con men con again, vandals vandalize again..... but many aren't as dangerous and don't completely ruin other peoples' lives to this extent, don't obliterate peoples' souls. Murderers, rapists, child molesters should all be shot and not supported by tax payers living in prisons or on islands.

And for anyone who, in the future of this thread mentions the broadness of the term, sex offender and that many are peeing in bushes and having 16 year old girlfriends and should they get the death penalty too?????I'm going to scream! No, I don't think peeing in a bush or an 18 year old having a 16 year old girlfriend deserve too much punishment, if any. Yes, the terminology for those things needs to be distinguished from the monsters who destroy peoples' lives and who are a danger to society because they do not rehabilitate statistically...historically.

 

[Doberluv]

I dont know if true sex offenders should ever be released...it is a very worrisome situation as yes, the vast majority to re-offend. I definitely think they should be on the list for life. I am very "sensitive" to this right now as for the last week I have read a ton of serial killer and psychology insights on it (thanks to chaz btw lol...the child of rage thread got me started). It is very sobering how many serial killers had been jailed before for sex offenses, often multiple time. So, yeah, we still have a ways to go.....

BUT, again, not all sex crimes are created equal. Some people may have a chance at rehab (which is not going to happen in jail, jail at best does nothing, at worst makes them worse!), some people may not be truly guilty. I know someone very close to me who was accused of it. I know without a doubt he is innocent. The child is a known liar (which I hate to say as something is causing him tao act out that way) and he picked a safe person to make up some stories about. (At first they talked about touching etc but then the stories warped into parts being "eaten" etc. And this child had NEVER been alone with the person accused). The parents let a couple people know but decided not to pursue it as they dont believe it either (Same child has told teachers his grandma tried to kill him, and other crazy stories. Truth be told, I am very worried for the child). But, my point is, if the parents had pushed it, this person may have been found guilty

What a horrible girl! Of course those things can happen. I just watched an episode of Big Valley where Heath was accused of sexual assault because some girl could (edit: NOT) get him to be attracted to her, so she was p.o'd and got back at him by a false accusation. But that's why there is due process of law. It doesn't always work very well. But there it is...

 

[Greenmagick]

What a horrible girl! Of course those things can happen. I just watched an episode of Big Valley where Heath was accused of sexual assault because some girl could get him to be attracted to her, so she was p.o'd and got back at him by a false accusation. But that's why there is due process of law. It doesn't always work very well. But there it is...

OH I agree, but its one reason I hesitate to immediately give life, etc. I dont know if there are any really good answers here. I could say, ok, if accused you have to go through rigorous counseling...but true psychotics would most likely pass that with flying colors. I think the best bet would be to focus more on preventing it before it starts but again, way easier said then done.

 

[Doberluv]

OH I agree, but its one reason I hesitate to immediately give life, etc. I dont know if there are any really good answers here. I could say, ok, if accused you have to go through rigorous counseling...but true psychotics would most likely pass that with flying colors. I think the best bet would be to focus more on preventing it before it starts but again, way easier said then done.

I meant to say, "could not get him to be attracted to her." LOL.

Yes, prevention would ideally be the best way. I agree. It would be nice if a definite gene were found which causes psychosis and sociopaths. Of course, I'm sure environment plays a big role too. They do see on MRI's that these people have different anatomy in their brains. I just read something about this. If there were a gene that was carried, those people should be sterilized and not allowed to breed. They see sociopathic warning signs in very young children but are hesitant to label them because some of those behaviors are bordering on normal or could be called normal, but excessive... and because childrens' brains don't develop for a long time.

 

[Jules]

The neighborhood has the right to know regardless of what crime was committed to warrant a title of sex offender. Don't want people to know you're a sex offender? Don't become one.

I signed up for email alerts for a 3-mile radius. It's nice being informed.

For an actual sex offender, yes, I agree. Any day. However, for all that we know this guy could have peed in public within sight of a 16 year old (or under) and gotten charged with lewd and lascivious acts. That's how RIDICULOUS current sex offender laws are. And until she knows that it's not something like that, running the neighborhood hot is nothing but a witch hunt.

Pedophiles are sick. Can some be rehabilitated to live in society? Yes, I believe so. But it takes a great deal of effort. And a lot of people don't make it. I think it's pretty comparable to an alcoholic. The illness will never go away completely, but it can be controlled.

Anyway.... Yes, we need a prison reform. But, more than that, we need not let kids fall through the cracks. And you would not believe how many do.

ETA: I work in a public defender's office.... Most of the clients stopped going to school anywhere from 6th to 8th grade.... How can that happen? What future is a child like that going to have? We rarely get educated, smart clients in who committed crimes as an easy way to get ahead. It's this uneducated group (many with learning disabilities), who just don't know better (mix that with drugs and voila). You think I'm exaggerating? You can bet I don't.

 

[GipsyQueen]

I do have to agree with Jules - Dak, you don't know what this guy did. If he raped a girl or something to that degree, sure I would inform your neighbours - however if he did "lewd and lascivious act". Chances are he may have peed in public or whatever. (I think if that is a reason to be ruled as a sex offender every second soccer fan here in Germany would be one. )
Obvisously his wife (and children) stuck by him, even though he is a registered sex offender.
Please don't start a witch hut against this guy - you don't know what he did. If it really bothers you SO much, call is wife and ask about it, but don't go around getting everyone in your neighbourhood up against your neighbour.

 

[Dakotah]

I, personally, am not going to tell everyone in this neighborhood. I do not live here, I live 4 hours up north near Atlanta.
But the woman with the 3 boys who's husband is in the Army, might very well tell everyone. I'm not going to tell her not to, she has 3 boys to look after and she is VERY terrified by this, and she has every reason to be. Judge me if you will for not telling her that she can't tell everyone, but that is what she wants and I won't be the one to tell her no.

And mom talked to the Sheriff's office today, not exactly sure what all was said as I was not there (at home baby sitting my nephew)
Our creepy neighbor raped a THIRTEEN year old girl vaginally with his penis then raped her anally with a baseball bat.

Everyone has their opinions on this subject but rape of ANY kind is NOT okay in my book. Sexual assault/abuse is NOT okay in my book. And I think certain laws on those matters should be pushed harder and be followed through more.

 

[-bogart-]

okay ,since when do details about juvenile court cases become public knowledge?

and is he registered?

what are the cops going to do now?

 

[Xandra]

Wait a minute... they had the rape of a minor listed as "lewd and lascivious acts"? What??

 

[-bogart-]

Wait a minute... they had the rape of a minor listed as "lewd and lascivious acts"? What??

exactly . something is not right.

 

[Greenmagick]

And mom talked to the Sheriff's office today, not exactly sure what all was said as I was not there (at home baby sitting my nephew)
Our creepy neighbor raped a THIRTEEN year old girl vaginally with his penis then raped her anally with a baseball bat.

.

Thats not what a conviction of lewd and lascivious behavior is...and yes, details like that are not open so kind of wondering where this came from?

 

[Dakotah]

okay ,since when do details about juvenile court cases become public knowledge?

and is he registered?

what are the cops going to do now?

The guy was 38-39 when this crime happened, he was not a juvenile!

According to the Sheriff's dept he is registered. But its not showing up on the sex offenders website.

And Idk what the cops are going to do. Sounds like to me they might be pulling sh!t out of their ass or there are 2 guys with the same name and they got them mixed up (to be honest, that would not be the first time this sheriff's dept has done this and that sickens me).

Wait a minute... they had the rape of a minor listed as "lewd and lascivious acts"? What??

I really have no clue. From what I gathered, he was convicted in Florida. Idk wtf is going on.

Mom is like "okay whatever we know what is going on now" but I'm more on the line of "WTF is REALLY going on?!"

 

[-bogart-]

the GIRL WAS A JUEVNILE.

Cases involving children are not generally released
did you find him on the florida site?



EDIT! ya know what , doesnt even matter, keep and eye on the kids and just move.

i am outie as this story will only get more twisted.

 

[release the hounds]

all the more reason not to go around defaming someone when you don't even have the facts straight.