hey, gonna send you a pm dakotah.
also...I have read several books and a lot of online info about cattle dog, golden and labs, and most of the other breeds we are considering. and I have trained quite a few of them. but would really love to hear more from people who have experience with them, as to wether you think they are right or not for us. and like I said, ask any questions you feel are relevant. also I have contacted breed rescues for cattle dog, golden and lab. havnt heard back from any of them yet though.