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Smoking isn't going to kill an innocent bystander any more than anything else.

Factory fumes.

Exhaust fumes.

Heavy metals in your water and food.

Pesticides.

Plastic residues.

And I say all this as an ex smoker! You'd have to be standing next to a lot of smokers on a regular basis and breathing in deeply to get the cumulative effect of second hand smoke. For example, those who WORK in smoky atmospheres (banned in pubs here now so no worries). Walking past someone smoking in the street won't kill anyone anyhow.

In fact, alcohol IS more likely to get you killed innocently. Drunk drivers, drunk aggressive fighters, drunk people who leave broken glass bottles around etc etc etc.

I'm ALL for banning smoking in public, but you have to be accurate about it.... Second hand smoke doesn't pull out a knife and kill people. You won't die from one sniff of ciggy smoke. Bit dramatic!!!
Now second hand breastfeeding OTOH...
 

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Yep. People NEVER get lung cancer or lung disease from second hand smoke! Continual smoke inhalation causes problems. I'd know, I'm living it. I've never smoked a day in my life.

Drinking and driving? Illegal. Fighting, whether drunk or not, is illegal. Littering, illegal. ALL those things ARE ILLEGAL, BECAUSE it is dangerous TO OTHER PEOPLE.

NOT ONE THING you said is a direct harm to another person just simply by somebody sitti g there and having a drink. They are all direct harm to people due to other things, and are ILLEGAL.
But you just said someone having a drink doesn't hurt innocent bystanders? I can tell you it does, illegal or not, it happens. And it's pretty much instant.

Second hand smoke damage occurs to people exposed to second hand smoke daily, all day, or a large proportion of the day. Not walking past a smoker on the street or even sitting next to one for 10 mins a day.

I can't fathom one example where an innocent bystander has been killed by a waft of ciggy smoke like BOOM. Sniff, you're dead.

I can name people who have been killed by CONTINUED exposure to second hand smoke... But honestly, it's rare and you don't have to work in those environments anymore.

You're making it sound like a waft of ciggy smoke and you may as well start checking for lumps and booking a cat scan. And that's just not the case.

Going for a night out once a week to a cigarette filled bar isn't going to kill you. Every night? Maybe you should worry about how much you're drinking ;) or get a different job.

However. If you want to argue that it's UNPLEASANT and unappealing to smoke in public, then I fully agree. I'm happy it's been banned, but not for my health!!!
 
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Drinking irresponsibly can kill someone for sure. Alcohol poisoning, drinking and driving, playing with a gun while drunk, etc.

I've had ciggy smoke trigger an asthma attack that *almost* killed me so yeah, it can happen in certain instances.
 

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But you just said someone having a drink doesn't hurt innocent bystanders? I can tell you it does, illegal or not, it happens. And it's pretty much instant.

Second hand smoke damage occurs to people exposed to second hand smoke daily, all day, or a large proportion of the day. Not walking past a smoker on the street or even sitting next to one for 10 mins a day.

I can't fathom one example where an innocent bystander has been killed by a waft of ciggy smoke like BOOM. Sniff, you're dead.

I can name people who have been killed by CONTINUED exposure to second hand smoke... But honestly, it's rare and you don't have to work in those environments anymore.

You're making it sound like a waft of ciggy smoke and you may as well start checking for lumps and booking a cat scan. And that's just not the case.

Going for a night out once a week to a cigarette filled bar isn't going to kill you. Every night? Maybe you should worry about how much you're drinking ;) or get a different job.

However. If you want to argue that it's UNPLEASANT and unappealing to smoke in public, then I fully agree. I'm happy it's been banned, but not for my health!!!
No. You're reading it as though that's what I'm saying. I didn't say anything lime that, at all, ever.

Drinking AND DRIVING kills people. AND DRIVING. Or and whatever. Not just drinking. It's the AND that causes it to be dangerous. When somebody sits beside me having a drink, there is no risk to my health. Whether you want to believe it or not, constantly breathing in smoke, from cigarettes are otherwise, is damaging to health. When it's cigarette smoke, there are added health risks. You don't have to be doing anything else for smoking to be dangerous to other people. You have to be doing other things for drinking to be dangerous for other people, those of which are ILLEGAL.
 

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Smoking isn't going to kill an innocent bystander any more than anything else.

Factory fumes.

Exhaust fumes.

Heavy metals in your water and food.

Pesticides.

Plastic residues.

And I say all this as an ex smoker! You'd have to be standing next to a lot of smokers on a regular basis and breathing in deeply to get the cumulative effect of second hand smoke. For example, those who WORK in smoky atmospheres (banned in pubs here now so no worries). Walking past someone smoking in the street won't kill anyone anyhow.

In fact, alcohol IS more likely to get you killed innocently. Drunk drivers, drunk aggressive fighters, drunk people who leave broken glass bottles around etc etc etc.

I'm ALL for banning smoking in public, but you have to be accurate about it.... Second hand smoke doesn't pull out a knife and kill people. You won't die from one sniff of ciggy smoke. Bit dramatic!!!
This.

Uh ... Someone drinking doesn't hurt anyone? Please don't say that do me, as someone who has survived a serious crash that out me in a coma thanks to a drunk driver, I take offense to that.

&yes indeed smoking is a right because it is a choice, just like choosing clothes or shoes. It. Is. A. Choice. I have the RIGHT to choose to smoke.

The lobbyists have gotten it banned in most restaurants, bars, some public places & most buildings (depending on your area) but they seem to want it "all the way". I mean please, not wanting to walk by, or behind someone smoking walking along the street? Come on :rolleyes:
 

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A "choice" is not a "right."

The person who drove drunk CHOSE to get into their car drunk.
That's a choice.
Is it their right?

Somebody who chooses to shoot somebody and murder them - that's a right?

All choices.
Not rights.

So again, please tell me how smoking is a "right."
 
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This.

Uh ... Someone drinking doesn't hurt anyone? Please don't say that do me, as someone who has survived a serious crash that out me in a coma thanks to a drunk driver, I take offense to that.
Thats not you getting hurt because someone was sitting next to you drinking. That is you getting hurt because of someones illegal activity of drinking and then driving. Take offense all you want but you are comparing apples to oranges. Someone with alcohol in a cup, sitting next to you, the alcohol in no way affects you. Sitting next to, or walking next to someone who is smoking, yes, that affects you.

And non related...****, I hate affect vs effect:/ Even though I *know* the difference I still have a hard time figuring out which to use most of the time lol....

So above, correct usage or not?

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/affect-versus-effect?page=all
 

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Thats not you getting hurt because someone was sitting next to you drinking. That is you getting hurt because of someones illegal activity of drinking and then driving. Take offense all you want but you are comparing apples to oranges. Someone with alcohol in a cup, sitting next to you, the alcohol in no way affects you. Sitting next to, or walking next to someone who is smoking, yes, that affects you.

And non related...****, I hate affect vs effect:/ Even though I *know* the difference I still have a hard time figuring out which to use most of the time lol....

So above, correct usage or not?

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/affect-versus-effect?page=all
This. Again, drinking /= drinking AND DRIVING. Drinking and driving, which CAN HARM PROPLE, is ILLEGAL.

Its really not that hard.



And yes, you did use the correct affect ;)

ETA: wait, no. It would be effect.

Thinking on it more, I have no idea. And now it's bugging me.
 

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Lincoln's a jerk and won't let Stryder watch his Degu's. Now he's standing guard making sure Stryder doesn't come back.

Poodles are jerks!
 

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Blah. This morning while getting ready for work I knocked a bottle of dog shampoo off my bookshelf, the cover on it is broken so a bunch spilled out onto my carpet. Didn't have time to deal with it then... so I'm dealing with it now. And omg it is the most frustrating thing to clean up. IT JUST KEEPS SUDSING. The suds just multiple by a billion every time I try to wipe them away. I just want the soap out of my carpet. :mad:
 

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