The Venting Thread

Discussion in 'The Fire Hydrant' started by *blackrose, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. DJEtzel

    DJEtzel New Member

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    I have no problem with a breeder "only" working their dogs IRL situations if they are doing all appropriate health tests. I have a problem when they aren't health testing and think just because the dog can work, it should be bred. I apologize if I miscommunication what I thought there?
     
  2. Beanie

    Beanie Clicker Cult Coordinator

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    I agree with this. I do think in most situations and with most animals clicker training is perfectly viable and will absolutely work. Potentially other methods will work faster... it's an interesting scientific discussion on that though. One that scientists have been having for a long time, LOL.
    But definitely yes, the bolded part, I agree!
     
  3. meepitsmeagan

    meepitsmeagan Meagan & The Cattle Dog Crew

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    The only aspect that I don't see clicker work doing an effective job is with riding, UNLESS you use rest as the reward. Then I think it could work fantastically.
     
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    Yes, we do. There are two or three beef operations within my small cluster of towns, and lots of dairy farms. Plenty of cows here. Not many use dogs anymore, they use ATVs and clever fencing now. I lived in Florida and Texas as well, which have plenty of cows too.

    Absolutely. Especially with a popular breed where there are people managing to do it 'right' already. I would consider any person that breeds ACDs without health testing a BYB. Romeo is from a BYB. He has PRA. He is totally blind in low light. He kind of makes my point here. He will turn seven in June and he isn't good for any 'work' at this point. I was delving into herding when I really came to grips with the fact he is going blind, and decided it wasn't safe to continue with it. What good is that to anyone? Simple DNA test ensures if you breed the right dogs, the puppies will not get this disease. Seems like a no brainer to me.
     
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    When it "works" you dont have a "1000 lb animal up in your business".....that is NOT how clicker training works which is why people are going back to you not understanding clicker training
     
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    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    That's what Clinton essentially does, he uses rest as the reward, he makes a certain desired spot (I.e. the middle of the pen, if working on trailering the "rest spot" would be inside or near the trailer. If the horse moves away they must work.

    It's the same when I teach dogs/puppies to lead, I just kneel down & wait for them to stop fighting & "come off the pressure" even one step forward is rewards with slack ... Just like a horse lol
     
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    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    Huh? I have known dogs who are tested for PRA & deafness who still produce pups with PRA/deafness ... Testing doesn't 100% rule out genetic effects it lessens their occurrence.

    Yes testing is better then not testing, but let not pretend that those who do are immune to genetic defects.
     
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    No one is saying they are immune, simply that they are breeding responsibly, and not like your breeder.
     
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    Long day, lots of personal worries and work was so boring I got to think all day. Freaking sucked. This week can't conclude fast enough.
     
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    Stuck between a rock an a hard place...
     
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    My everything hurts from all the shoveling yesterday. My back is killing me, this morning my shoulders and neck are super sore, and just now my arms and wrists started to ache too.

    I slept really well, I thought, and woke up feeling rested... but I'm exhausted now. I guess my body needed more sleep than I got.

    Stupid spring snow storm.
     
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    Thought we were making progress with getting a puppy from a breeder. I've been talking to Chazzers and breeders about puppies. Have been constantly mentioning it to my boyfriend and asking him how he feels. Got told today "We'll probably end up going to a shelter because it costs more than $200."

    .....I just spent a week asking you what you thought about getting a puppy from a breeder, you saw the prices. We've discussed this. And NOW you're all "Nopenopenope." I've TOLD you why I don't want a shelter puppy. Like a thousand times. Thanks for letting me do all that work and look like an idiot.

    Ugh!!!
     
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    I may have missed the why not but you could probably get a wonderful dog off craigslist or from a shelter or rescue for that price tag.


    I do feel ya on the other half being flip floppy though, that sucks.
     
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    :/ Maybe work on saving up on your own to show him YOU can afford it, without him... and he'll be more game/on board?

    I know my boyfriend would not help pay for any dog of mine (not sure if that's the case here..?) but will let me spend whatever I'd like on a dog, and just call me crazy for it later. ;)
     
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    frostfell Kung Pow Fish

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    today my name is Alexander, and 80s children will know what Im talking about :mad:
     
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    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    I would just get a pup from a breeder anyway I would set aside MY money in a seperate account just for that & that way he couldnt say anything because its your money.

    My OH also says no more dogs ... He goes from saying "whatever you want, honey" to "I don't care (which is what I think he really thinks most of the time" to "we don't have the time/money" uh ... Wut? I am off for the next few months ... I have nothing but time! But whatever dude :rolleyes:
     
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    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    My upstairs neighbor, who is both crazy AND a bitch, was gone for like 10 blissful days with her little yappers. She came back last night and so we're treated to the sound of constant barking from her Poms, starting at 7am when she leaves for work. But don't worry, it should only continue for the next 12 hours, until she gets home and then... Oh wait, she lets them bark when she's home too. :rolleyes: Ugh.
     
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    I think I will just do it all on my own. I was hoping we could do it as a team but whatever. I can afford it.

    I don't want a shelter puppy because... I want to know the breed so I know what to expect. I want a certain type of dog. I don't like many small breeds so that's a big reason. Puppies are cute but what if this terrier mix turns into a chi-poo? Not what I want. And I have a shelter dog. And I volunteer. I feel like I do my part. Lol.

    He'll up being annoyed but he'll get over it. I'm picking a good breed for us. Even a small breed that is more 'manly'. I just wish he would stop confusing me. He can't say no to me, but this flip flopping is just as bad. Sucks because we do a lot together and I'm really excited about this...

    But thanks guys : ) Now I don't feel bad about going through with it.
     
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    Now you need to tell us what breed!?
     
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    Miniature Schnauzer. If I can find the 'right' breeder! ;)
     

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