The Unthinkable has happened...

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Aw, such a sad and heartbreaking thing to go through. Just wanted to let you know that I'm there for you and I do think you're doing the right thing. *HUGS*
 
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Doberluv said:
I don't know what you mean by positive reinforcement or discipline.... Punishment has no place in training. (Not just my opinion either.)
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Frankly, in my (limited) experience, scaring or punishing the dog just makes matters worse.
It's a bit rude to assume that I'm in favor of abusing dogs just because I used the word 'discipline.'
 

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It's a bit rude to assume that I'm in favor of abusing dogs just because I used the word 'discipline.'
Just trying to make sure that people with aggression problems don't try to cure aggression by using punishment of any kind. It is well documented that punishment is the wrong tactic to use with aggression.

The word, discipline is very OFTEN misused or misunderstood...very common....to imply some kind of punishment rather than simply to teach....(it's actual meaning.)

This isn't about you Cassablanca. This is about a dog with an aggression issue. My interest is not in how you deal with your dogs. My interest is in preventing further damage in a particular situation. And when I read something where someone is promoting what may be construed or interpreted as a viable way of treating a dangerous dog, I feel a need to clarify. That is why I wrote what I did about the meanings of words.

This thread is about some people who have to put their dog down due to aggression. They must be feeling awful. They've got to feel much worse, much more heart broken... than how you feel in your perception of my opinon of whether or not you abuse your dog. I hope you'll forgive me and my cautious ways.
 
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Geez Im sorry. For all its worth I think she had a bit of ridgeback in her (I remember you saying you were unsure on her breed). When my ridgeback was a puppy, she looked just like the one in your pic, and she still looks quite similar to the more recent photos. But yeah, looks a lot like a Ridgback. I am sorry.
 

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Casablanca shame on you for making this about you. I am sorry but this is NOT the place to do that. This is a thread for prayers and well wishes and condolences.


GAPeach, I am so sorry. I hope you had a wonderful morning with Carey and gave her some wonderful memories to take with her to the Rainbow Bridge. I am trying so hard not to let the tears flow right now. What a tragedy you have had to deal with. Just know that Carey is happy and you gave her what she needed. A loving family, a warm bed at night, and all the love any dog could ever hope for.
 

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I'm so sorry:( It cna be such a hard decision to make. I'm sure you guys had a great time together and she would have never picked a place other than with you.

Our frineds went through this about six months ago and it was jsut heartbreaking. there dog was a golden,a dog you would expect to be nice,and it was jsut plain mena. At least for them there wasn't a question about it though. they knew what they had to do. I jsut want to strangle the people that breed theses dogs that end up like this. We love them to death but at a point there is nothing else you can do. they still miss shelby and finally got to the pont were they know for sure they did the right thing but its still hard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/joceboo/100_1621.jpg
That was her. While she looked like a sweetie and they could ahve rehomed her if she was acting ok at the moment,they just couldn't put anyone else in danger. Just remember she loved you and you idd what you could for her.
 

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First of all thank you from the bottom of my heart for your warm thoughts. I have made a new thread about Carey as she is still with us.
 

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I am going through what carey's owner is going through right now, my pit/chow mix (looks a lot like carey) that i have had since she was a pup is very food agressive and i have tried everything to stop her, she is also very nervous around my one year old, she hasnt bit him yet but i believe that she could so i am going to send her to live with my parents because i can not take the chance that she wont bite him. No matter how much you love you dog your kids and family should always come first, any dog that bites a kid , especially your own kid, needs to be put down, how are you going to feel is she does it again and doesnt just leave a scrape, next time she could kill your daughter, Really think, is this dog really worth your childs life? It kills me to send my dog away i will probably cry for weeks but you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes you can do everything in your power to make a dog a good dog, but its not always possible.
This is just my opinion, i am not trying to upset anyone, its your decision.
 

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RedyreRottweilers said:
Keep in mind that dogs bite in the face with INTENT TO HARM.

You need help and you need it now.

Meantime, ZERO access of dog to kid.
im going to disagree with this -- dogs bite kids in the face mostly because of where the childs face is --- at their level. most dogs cannot get to an adults face quickly if they wanted to bite - they normally get arms/hands.
 

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I agree with Redyre. A child's face is right there, right at the level of the dog's face (teeth) and it's very dangerous. Personally, I'd be very nervous with this dog around my small child. If there is to be any interaction with the child and the dog, I would hold the child and keep him high up...above the dog's level and turned sideways to the dog, never facing or giving eye contact to the dog. I'd be giving the dog some orders to sit, down and then letting the child toss a treat down to the dog.

Actually....if it were me, and I had a two year old child, I wouldn't be brave enough to keep a dog who had bitten, no matter what the circumstances. I get this opinion after having small children and dogs who tolerated most happily, much worse than messing around his toy or food. They wouldn't have bitten any child for the world. They were very agreeable and trustworthy around my kids and friends of my kids. Anything was just fine with them...that was my GSD and Lab.

Whatever you decide, I support you and hope and pray that this behaviorist has a good prognosis for your dog. Just be careful.
 

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The trainer I talked to also stated that if Carey meant to hurt our child she would have. It was meant as a warning. A child's face is at the level of the dog's face. She has always been a wonderful dog and has always loved all children, playing very well with them. We just didn't keep up with her obedience wise and she is a pushy dog. Slowly she has decided that she is more dominant in our family than our daughter, this and the food aggression are the things that need to be corrected with the help of a trainer. Belive me we have agonized long and hard over this decision and if we at all thought Carey was a threat to our daughter she would not be here. We do still allow them to play together, although much more supervised than before (they have always been supervised) I have been working on obedience with her and this really seems to be helping. As soon as we can get her shot records from our old vet and get her distemper shots we will be working with the trainer.
 

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Oh yes. I am sure that if she wanted to really kill, she would have bitten way more severely. I agree with that. It's just that small kids are right at the worst level, as far as being right in front of the dog's face.

I do hope this trainer can help. Best of luck!
 

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Thanks everyone. Carey's shot records should be transferred today and then we can move along in this process.
 

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