The topic of suicide.

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  1. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    & this is related to the topic ... How?

    What happened to the dog? (Now I am curious... Not judgmental ... Just curious).

    ON topic, as someone who is ... ADHD & as a result ... Different & largely unable to make friends in mainstream society, I struggle with feelings of self loathing & thoughts of just "ending" it cross my mind daily.

    It's not an "I hate my body or appearance" thing, from a physical standpoint I like myself, it's just the social side of me that I have a huge problem with & I know that I can't "help" it, it's just who I am; I know I will always say the wrong thing, blurt things out that I shouldn't, say what's on my mind without thinking it thru first, be impulsive & crap. No amount of therapy or meds will ever changed that.
     
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    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    Or at least give them medical weed or something :/.

    I also have a relative with cancer, my grandmother. She is 96 & has ovarian cancer, & they are still doing chemo on her & I am like WTF??? I know it's just a management thing with her but I feel at some point they should just "keep her comfortable" for as long as they can, it's the drugs that make her so sick not the disease itself.

    I wish they had some kind of "euthanasia " option for people.
     
  3. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Suicide being wrong is a cultural bias. American belief against suicide is rooted in the Protestant teachings, like many of our beliefs no matter our current religious followings.

    Other cultures, for example Japanese and Romans, have and do believe otherwise.

    My opinion is it can be an extremely selfish act, you're hurting those around you who love you.
     
  4. SevenSins

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    I found it odd that someone whose dog was (is) potentially in dire need of medical care was posting more ridiculous threads on a message forum.

    Situational irony in a nutshell. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Dogdragoness

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    No ... Like was the dog hurt or sick? I was just curious.
     
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    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

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    Yes, sick, another thread is open for it but she's not updated it so I'm glad she answered the questions here.
     
  7. sillysally

    sillysally Obey the Toad.

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    I have attempted suicide and am VERY glad that I was unsuccessful. I personally believe that every life has value, and to tell people that killing themselves is fine and dandy sends the message that their life is valueless. Mental illness DOES cloud judgment-that's a big part of what makes it so difficult to deal with.

    Last year my 19 year old cousin hung himself with an extension cord in the basement of my dads house. Most of the family was out of town at a relatives and my cousins girlfriend hadn't heard form him for a while, so called his mother. My cousins mother searched the house and discovered his body. No note, nothing. His death has had a ripple effect on the family. My dads brother, who was close to my cousin, was a diabetic who stopped caring about his diet and health after the suicide. He died very suddenly 5 months later of complications from diabetes. One of my dads sisters who was very close to my cousin has been very depressed since this happened. My cousin's girlfriend and friends were devastated-there was standing room only at his funeral. His younger sister, who is in therapeutic foster care and has several developmental disabilities is probably suffering the worst effects. Her brother was the last bit of family she was close to and she talked to and visited with him frequently. He was cremated and it was especially difficult for her to find closure without seeing his body.

    As for me, Brandon's death effected the way I look at a lot of things. I had a crisis of faith, and became obsessively terrified of my cousin burning in hell after all he'd been through in life. There were several mornings DH found me in near hysterics after being up all night searching the web for articles pertaining to suicide, hell, faith, and death. I find myself wondering if there was something different I could have done or said along the way to have kept him from doing this. I wonder often if in his last moments Brandon changed his mind but it was too late.

    I pray to God Brandon has found the peace in death that eluded him in life, but what he left in his wake was despair, sadness, doubt and turmoil.
     
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    Absolutely agree.

    As someone whom has lost a very dear person in their life to suicide, it has taken me time to put aside the aching and the "I just want her back" (I still do though) to look at everything as objectively as I could, her life, her decision, her sufferings...as much as I loved her and wanted to help, I could only do so much. I couldn't change the way she was, the way she thought about things or viewed her situation. I don't agree with her decision but I've come to respect it.

    It's very hard to explain but I think often most people considering suicide don't want to die per se, but rather are seeking relief from whatever circumstances they find so unbearable. The idea of dying doesn't appeal to me, but the one of rest, peace, quiet, and relief does very much, it's the hurdle of death that I need to jump over to get there though (seemingly) to get to it.

    And yes as AC pointed out - those that truly want to die, will not allow the law or anything else to get in their way. Alot of people just want to be saved, feel loved, have someone worry about them, get attention...
     
  9. SevenSins

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    ...Uh huh...
     
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    Actually, I don't agree. People who suicide often have people who love them, worry about them, give them attention... but it's just not enough. And others don't even reach out before doing it, and their loved ones have no idea that something was going on.

    Personally, I understand how someone can feel bad enough to do it. I just feel it's a shame, because it's possible to get out of depression, and they could have been happy if they hadn't given up... but it's something depressed people are just not aware of. I don't know anyone who's committed suicide. I know people who were very depressed though, and I felt totally helpless trying to help them.
     
  11. Dizzy

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    Stalker much? Why don't you just start your own Barbara campaign thread instead of smearing every thread she posts and bitching about her on Facebook.


    I don't agree with her decisions all the time, or her attitude some of the time, but seriously... What are you (and some others) trying to achieve by flogging a dead horse. Apart from looking snide.
     
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    Oh my god, can you shut up now? Grow up. Oh, let me guess what comes next....
    "I know who needs to grow up..."

    None of us agree with Barbara's choices about Josh anymore than you do and we are all equally concerned about the dogs but do you see ANY of us HARASSING her and being a childish ass to her? No. She asked for advice in a thread on a forum and now you won't let it go as she posts other threads that are completely unrelated? Leave her alone and get a life.

    Sweet Jesus. :rolleyes:
     
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    It's something REALLY personal. What you might be able to brush off and say "no big deal" about - might crush me and vice versa. I'm no one to say that anyone's life will improve/get better because I really don't know/can't guarantee for sure that it will - just as others can't say the same thing about my life.

    A averagely bad day for me might be 100x worse than your most miserable day imaginable. The argument can't be made that my life is good and worth preserving IMO because you just don't know that it is. Even those that lived with me can't say that it is.

    I "gamble" as it were - I take it one day at a time...I persevere (or try to). I tell myself that there's nothing to lose by sticking it out for a little while longer... Writing/talking about it helps, and knowing even strangers care and don't wish to see me go in such a way is touching. But recently I've been just really tired and wanting to just take it easy.
     
  14. SevenSins

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    Sure I could. Alternately, you might find that your stress is alleviated by a couple of Midol and a marital aid. :)

    Asking a question about the well being of a dog...on a dog forum...equates to harassment all of a sudden? Really now, why don't you sit down and tell me more about your logic.

    "Oh no, my 5 year old son is bleeding from the ears and doesn't move much when I poke him with a stick, what do I do guys?" 15 minutes later, new thread, same poster, no update to previous thread... "So, what are everyones' thoughts regarding inhalant abuse?" You wouldn't find that a little off? No? Maybe I'm not the one with the problem. ;)
     
  15. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    No, I'm pretty certain you are.
     
  16. SevenSins

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    I've posted in all of, what... Two threads Barbara has started? And that constitutes stalking? Why don't you sit over there next to PitBullLove and you can both tell me all about your logic together...

    I suppose two short comments on a thread on Facebook count as stalking as well; One being, "Barbara isn't bothering to read her PMs, I sent one the other day offering to help with the APBT and she has yet to read it." And the other, "I'm personally in the "let dumb criminals hang themselves" camp, but, meh.."

    On second thought, I'm fairly certain that neither of those qualify, either. How strange.

    Sit down, kids. I'm going to go ahead and let you in on a little secret. Ready? This is an online discussion forum. Sometimes, people post things that you won't agree with, or are going to upset and/or offend you and others. I understand that it can be shocking when you first come to this realization.

    Perhaps, and this is simply a suggestion...those who do not want their stories scrutinized should not post them publicly?
     
  17. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Sweet heart, I've been here a lot longer than you, seen a lot more discussions than you can shake a stick at, and been involved in more than you've likely had hot dinners.


    I also recognise when someone is just being a turd for being a turds sake. Notice, there are a few people "discussing" this. Yet you're the only one being singled out.....


    Now jog on, mate :)
     
  18. SevenSins

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    I just wanted to point out the irony in you complaining to me because you have a problem with something I posted about having a problem with something someone else posted. And I'm the one with a problem. :)

    I'm terribly happy for your wonderful accomplishment in life, honeybear. However, being here longer than me neither makes you special, nor makes your opinions more valid than mine. *cheery sunshine smile*
     
  19. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    I take it all back.


    Keep posting, you crack me up AND I'm learning so much from you. Would not want to deprive people of the gold star effort you make :D
     
  20. SevenSins

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    Oh, I'm so glad that you're open to learning. I have a wonderful idea, kids, how about we start with a vocabulary lesson?

    hyp·o·crite

    noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\


    Definition of HYPOCRITE

    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
    — hypocrite adjective

    Examples of HYPOCRITE


    1. the hypocrites who criticize other people for not voting but who don't always vote themselves
     
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