The topic of suicide.

Discussion in 'The Fire Hydrant' started by Barbara!, Dec 28, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Barbara!

    Barbara! New Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,457
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Okay guys, I know this is a touchy subject, but it's one I've been thinking about a lot lately, since I am at a very low and dark point in my life.

    I've never been one to think about suicide a lot, and I'm not thinking about DOING it, so don't go calling a hotline on me, I'm just thinking about the action of it and the mechanics and whatnot and how society looks at it.

    Why is suicide so widely frowned upon? I mean... I understand, but then again I don't. Why is it so bad for a person to choose to opt out of life? It's their life, isn't it? If they understand fully what that means..... Why isn't suicide seen as viable option? We always say "oh, it will get better..".. But in a lot of cases...that's not true. Some people die alone and unhappy and they live their whole lives like that. Why not allow them to choose to leave this world on their own terms, rather than miserable and unbalanced? They can choose to leave. Maybe this falls under the category of physician assisted suicide...

    I also realize this won't be a very popular idea. Please don't eat me alive. It was just my current thoughts on it all.
     
  2. SevenSins

    SevenSins Guest

    Did you get your dog to the vet yet?
     
  3. Barbara!

    Barbara! New Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,457
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Josh is taking her tonight.
     
  4. SevenSins

    SevenSins Guest

    Cool, how'd you come up with the money to get her to the emergency vet so fast?
     
  5. CaliTerp07

    CaliTerp07 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    7,652
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Just Miss Lucy-fur, my wondermutt!
    Location:
    Alexandria, VA
    Because no one would choose to leave this world with the majority of their life ahead of them if they weren't at least somewhat "miserable and unbalanced".
     
  6. Barbara!

    Barbara! New Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,457
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    He is doing the CareCredit thing.
     
  7. crazedACD

    crazedACD Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    3,048
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Too Many
    Location:
    West Missouri
    He didn't steal her did he?
     
  8. JessLough

    JessLough Love My Mutt

    Joined:
    May 16, 2009
    Messages:
    13,402
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Kennel Manager
    Location:
    Guelph, Ontario
    I just sat her for like 10 minutes trying to figure out how to answer this. This is it.
     
  9. Barbara!

    Barbara! New Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,457
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ...she's HIS dog.
     
  10. JacksonsMom

    JacksonsMom Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2009
    Messages:
    8,693
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Maryland
    Well, in terms of physician assisted suicide, I think that's different. I believe that if a person is so terminally ill, but is not dying easily on their own (but they are *going* die eventually)... they SHOULD have a right to ask to be peacefully put to sleep. We do it for our animals, why not do it for our humans? I watched one show where a person had some kind of rare bone cancer, where it was not going to kill her, but she lived in pain every single day. She lived in Sweden, I believe, and took a drug to put her to sleep. It happened very quickly and peacefully. Also, people who are stuck in their own bodies and can only communicate through their eyes, etc... I wouldn't want to live like that. I would want the opportunity to be able to say "please just put me down".

    But when it comes down to depression and anxiety, etc, no I don't think you should have the option. And, to me, ending your own life... I just think there is so many more things one can do to better their lives. I suppose it's a bit different if you're truly all alone, with nobody, but MOST people tend to have families, or spouses, or children, that they are leaving behind, and I do believe it's an incredibly selfish act.

    Either way, I don't judge because nobody can put themselves in another's shoes, and how they were feeling at that exact moment. And that it's a horrible horrible thing for the people left behind to go through.
     
  11. Fran101

    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2008
    Messages:
    12,546
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Boston
    because depression clouds judgement. The majority of those calling the hotlines and thinking of taking their own lives aren't doing it in the calm state of mind of "I just want to opt out of life please" they are doing it because they are depressed and see no other option/silver lining. Not because there isn't one but because they can't see it. That's what depression does.

    If suicide was seen as an okidoki perfectly fine option.. people would take their own lives and think of their lives as meaningless. I mean why wouldn't they? Nobody really minds if they kill themselves..so why not?

    The idea is frowned upon because established human life is seen as something precious. Regardless of the person..they are seen as someone who deserves to be here, who has things to contribute, a life to live, memories, people who love them, people who count on them etc..
    And we fight to help people see that things do and WILL get better. Sure, not everyone lives a perfectly happy life but everyone does get to live.. and that's better than the alternative.

    Most people who do have these thoughts come out the other side changing their STATE OF MIND (which usually is the real problem, not their life itself) and do realize that their lives are worth living.
    That's why it's worth it to fight and continue to tell people suicide isn't an option.

    To tell people that suicide is ok is to tell them that their life doesn't matter. That THEY don't matter.. that there aren't people who would mourn their loss, that the world would be fine without them, that they have nothing else to contribute.. and that is not ok.

    Physician assisted suicide.. well, that's a whole nother issue and frankly, I believe if someone is going to die anyway, they should have the right to decide to go painlessly instead of drawing out their suffering.
     
  12. SevenSins

    SevenSins Guest

    Speaking of which, does Chevelle still need rescuing or what? I'm still waiting for a reply to my PM. She's his dog too and they don't allow pets in prison. :confused:
     
  13. Grab

    Grab Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2005
    Messages:
    3,374
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I think in medical cases it should be "allowed" Our medical system is screwy enough as it is. Shameful that we allow people to suffer for months or years. I had a relative die from cancer. He suffered for much longer than he should have, even with generous pain medication.

    In other cases, well I am not living their lives. Who am I to say whether their lives would ever improve to a point that would be meaningful to them? I do not necessarily agree that every person who contemplates suicide is mentally unbalanced.
     
  14. SevenSins

    SevenSins Guest

    This. Honestly, I hope medically assisted suicide is legal and available by the time I need it. Speaking only for myself, I'd like to have the choice to go with some dignity and peace rather than die a lingering, painful death some day and be made to either accept it or force someone else to clean up the aftermath of a DIY.
     
  15. Lyzelle

    Lyzelle New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2012
    Messages:
    2,826
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Colorado
    Those. If depression and anxiety clouds judgement, so does happiness and everything else. And I really don't care what someone does with their life. It is THEIR life. When you live their life, sure, you get to make the big shot decisions about who gets to stay and who gets to go. But each life belongs to the individual person, solely.
     
  16. milos_mommy

    milos_mommy Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2006
    Messages:
    15,349
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I do think that possibly, after intense treatment, therapy, etc, suicide should be considered an acceptable option.

    I also know probably two dozen people who have attempted suicide, anywhere from years to a few months ago. None of these people still regularly wish to be dead. Most of them proclaim now to be happy and love life. I've never known a person to be suicidal when in a stable condition.

    It's also obviously very devestating to a persons family, friends, and loved ones.
     
  17. blue

    blue Jerk.

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,119
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    wasilla alaska
    Telling someone suicide is OK is telling someone other people dont matter.

    Suicide is a wholly selfish act. I briefly contemplated it once, and took precautions.

    If your goal is to hurt the people you love for years and years it would be a good way to go, just take Josh with you, and that all your dogs have good homes.
     
  18. ACooper

    ACooper Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2007
    Messages:
    27,771
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    IN
    Not including long term/terminal illness.....
    I agree. I don't know anyone that tried in the past who STILL wishes they were dead (at least what they say out loud)

    There's no changing your mind....what you do in a moment of sadness/depression is final. And IMO, those who TRULY want suicide (and not attention) get it done so laws and frowning make no difference.
     
  19. noludoru

    noludoru Bored Now.

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2006
    Messages:
    17,830
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    1 Dog
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    Home Page:
    I will agree that it's incredibly selfish, but at the end of the day, who the hell am I to judge someone for being selfish? I don't know what they have been through. I don't know how much pain they are in and how long it's been for them. I don't know if their problem is curable, incurable, or if they have tried and tried to fix it without hope of relief. Until I have been inside their head and lived their life, that's not a judgment I can make.

    I value quality of life over quantity. Each and every time. I would rather spend 18 years being happy than 50 years being miserable.

    This is a very diplomatic way of phrasing it.

    I've been suicidal before, and I'm sure I will be again. I've been in some pretty awful situations in my short life already. If I had the choice between repeating some of the experiences I've been through and suicide, I am positive I would pick the latter. There are worse things out there than death.
     
  20. Southpaw

    Southpaw orange iguanas.

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2005
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Minnesota
    We all have low points in our life. Most people understand that it's just that - a low point. There is a silver lining somewhere, things will get better and be okay, life is still worth living. Any person that considers suicide is not stable or in the right frame of mind... they don't see the silver lining. They need help so that they CAN get on and appreciate life; not permission that yep it's okay, go ahead and end it.

    Plus the fact that there are probably many friends and family members in this person's life that would be deeply affected by it. It's not like the person is elderly or terminally ill, where the passing is inevitable - they could have gone on to live a long life and chose not to. I don't know anyone who has committed suicide but I would imagine that's a tough reality to swallow.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page