The Slippery Slope - BSL

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by SummerRiot, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    listing of places where BSL is currently in effect

    dog legislation council of canida has a terrific webpage that includes information on the financial cost of bsl, as well as all kinds of other stuff. they're currently fighting the pit bull ban in ontario.
     
  2. Doberluv

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    That is interesting Cole. Thanks for posting.

    Grammy, your comment about chaining up dogs is VERY pertinent as a matter of fact. That is one big cause of aggression. If chaining would be banned, that would be one link in the chain of prevention of aggression. It is ALL about owner responsibility.

    Elegy..we posted together so I missed yours...gonna go take a look at those links.
     
  3. Cole's Mom

    Cole's Mom Dobe Lover

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  4. DryCreek

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    Wow, calm down....no need to get your panties in a twist.

    When talking about BSL, chaining issues are irrelevant to BSL laws. Therefor, any comment on chaining is irrelevant to the thread. If you want to discuss chaining, I would be more than willing to do so....On a different thread.

    I live in Ontario where BSL is taken very seriously and to start a side issue that is very inflammatory to certain people takes away from the discussion.

    I was not rude or nasty and I attacked no-one, contrary to what you are now doing to me.

    Ignorant means uninformed, not stupid.....To make such a blanket type comment about chaining is ignorant.

    I have had the unfortunate experience of having to kill APBT's at the SPCA I worked at because of the breed they were, perfectly fine animals with good temperaments.

    I take BSL very personally having lost my dogs to the law. I refuse to spay or neuter my dogs and to keep them safe had to ship them out of Ontario. These were quality animals that I spent many years working with and miss deeply.

    Now, if you all are done attacking me, lets please continue discussing the thread at hand. BSL
     
  5. elegy

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    the fatal dog attacks *book* is an excellent resource as well. also, dogs bite but balloons and slippers are more dangerous by janis bradley.

    and not immediately pertaining to BSL or dog bites, but culture of fear: why americans are afraid of the wrong things by barry glassner is worth the time, too.
     
  6. bubbatd

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    No comment , Drycreek . I think you missed the whole point.
     
  7. chazhound

    chazhound Alpha Dog Staff Member

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    I see with seven posts you are quite new to participating on this forum. PLease take the time to read and know some of the members and issues on hand here before coming to conclusions. We have an excellent Mod crew on Chazhound and if you think someone 'hijacked' a thread or is abusive, you may report it via PM to a Moderator or myself and it is usually handled promptly.

    I echo the Moderators, Grammy's post was not an ignorant or inflammatory statement. I will take it that the verbage and tone you used was inspired by your passion against Breed Specific Legislation and not just being mean.

    I do agree with you though... BSL sucks....

    Chazhound
     
  8. otch1

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    Coles mom... I'll check sites you listed. Interested in a letter that is distributed to the "right individuals". Recognised behaviorist, psychologists, trainers and veterinarians. I know the list I have in mind, starting with Dr. Dunbar, Dr. S Coren, Dr. N. Dodman all who happen to own some of these breeds! They would be excellent supporters at the top of the list from a "Chaz protest letter", protesting these bans and why these experts are against it. That's why I'd also like to see the "Best Friends" list of experts. As for the Irish Wolfhounds being added to the list, several have mentioned... I believe I know why that came about. Year before last, at a very large dog show in the U.S. 2 dogs "posturing" outside of a ring, a growl here, growl there, tried to pass each other in the isleway. Both the small breed and the Irish Wolfhound lunged at each other. The Irish got ahold of the other dog and killed it in front of all of the spectators, kids, other exhibitors and judges. It was written up in most of the show magazines, AKC articles. I will try to find it. A devastating day for the handlers, owners and dogs involved.
     
  9. lakotasong

    lakotasong Sled Dog Guardian

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    I remember that, how horrible.
     
  10. MyIrishWolfie

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    Banning an Irish Wolfhound?!?!?! :yikes:

    WTF why??

    Whoever made that list has never owned one before....

    "watch out... I may be vicious"
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Zoom

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    Without having seen the event, I'm more inclined to believe that was an accident of two intact dogs just having hate-on-first-sight issues and less of a breed thing.
     
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    Dry creek. I will give you some good advice like the others have. Calm down
    and take a step back. (doing highlights in red along with your words makes you look angry in this thread)

    Here are my red flags (do not accuse me of thread hijacking because you where the one who posted some of them in your thread out of the blue and off the topic at hand)
    1) You thinking its inflammatory that people do not like chained dogs
    2) You not neutering your dogs
    3) Giving up your dogs because refused to follow the law and neuter them.
    (I live in ontario and know the law very well, so I know what you are referring to)

    If you want to discuss these you can pm me or open up a new thread.
     
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  13. BSan

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    After reading the previous posts, I am hoping not to get off track. Just wanted to add this info. My homeowners insurance contacted me to "update" their info, after I had a claim. One of the questions they asked was what kind of dogs I had. I refused to answer their questions until they answered mine. My question was WHY are you asking?? They then proceded to give me a ridiculous list of dogs , and said that if I have any of those dogs, I would be dropped from homeowners coverage. I asked what the criteria was in coming up with the list, and they said that it was the kind of damage these dogs could do IF they bit, not necessarily that the dogs often bite. Then I was told that some little dogs can be snippy, but they can't do the damage. It all boils down to money........they don't want to pay if a dog causes major damage. I don't know much about the organization that was mentioned previously, but I am going to try to learn about it.
     
  14. ~Jessie~

    ~Jessie~ Chihuahua Power!

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    Ugh! That is insane :(

    I am so sick of BSL. I wish that people would understand that it isn't the dog, it's the owner.
     
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    MyIrishwolfie, your babies the cutest! As a trainer who specializes in behavioral modification of aggressive dogs, who owns a Dobie, shows all-breed, primarily working, herding and some terrier, I have a great deal of concern for this and hope Chaz members will join me in putting together a letter, of sorts, to distribute to some industry pros. I have been attacked 3 times in 24 years. Only one of these incidenses involved a "best friends" listed breed. The first, an intact male Chesapeke whose owner dropped the lead in class and her dog went after a male Rott. A very bloody fight ensued and I had no choice but to try to break it up after kids exited the room and myself and the dogs owners were left. It was the Chessie who turned on me and latched onto my thigh, sending me to the hospital. (Not the Rott) The next, 3 yrs later a male Am staff mix bit me in the side of the head as I was seated, speaking to a group class. The owner entering my training building, extended her flexilead and couldn't retract it in time. She came to the wrong room. Was suppose to check in w/office to enter the dog in a month of board and train w/me. As I stood from my chair and went to take his collar as he was coming up, he got me. The third, Sharpei, who latched onto my arm from a seated position, launching himself at me. Another trip to the hopsital, stitches, ect. All of these incidenses happened in the first 7 yrs of my training career. All of these were avoidable and I have learned to deal with them differently now. None of these issues were breed specific. I've had no more problem with these dogs intent to do damage than I have certain Cocker Spanials and Poodles who've goten a bite in on me during my early days of grooming. The problem is large breeds obviously do more damage and that means no large breed dog is safe from being added to these ban lists someday. If you let them ban one, many more will follow.
     
  16. IliamnasQuest

    IliamnasQuest Loves off-leash training!

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    I think there are many "grass roots" things we can do as individuals, in addition to encouraging the well-known behaviorists, doctors, and trainers to speak up.

    First, we can each make sure that our own dogs are well-behaved, under-control members of society. We need to socialize properly, train consistently and teach our dogs how to act around other people and dogs. The worst thing we can do is have poorly behaved dogs that propagate the concept of being aggressive, and any dog that is reactive to people or other dogs works against us when it comes to BSL.

    Second, we can take our well-behaved dogs out in public and talk with people. Show what a nice dog you have, tell people how you are working against breed bans and PROVE to them that your breed is more than teeth and hackles.

    Third, offer to take your dogs to meetings - city meetings, legislative meetings, etc. - and talk about how important dogs are to the social growth of children, how they provide therapeutic effects for large numbers of people, and tell them how many voters have dogs. Write up a good speech and play on the emotions of those listening (many will have dogs of their own).

    We may not be able to get to the big events, but we can set the wheels in motion in our own areas. Maybe we can even put together something here on chazhound that can be used as a speech or even a letter to the editor for your hometown newspaper.

    Melanie and the gang in Alaska
     
  17. carlar

    carlar Dog Lover Boutique

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    What exactly does a ban mean? Do they just not allow the dogs into the country or you are not allowed to breed them? Surely all of those dogs can't be dangerous?
     
  18. elegy

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    carlar- it depends on the place and on the law. there are places, like denver, that pit bulls are illegal. if you get caught with one, they'll take it and kill it. period.

    other places, such as ontario, allow existing pit bulls to still be there provided that they are spayed/neutered, muzzled at all times off their property, and nine zillion other little things.

    in some places it means spay/neuter, in some places it means muzzle, in some places it means a ridiculous amount of liability insurance, in some places it means death.

    BSan-- a lot of insurance companies are like that. ones that are not are few and far between.

    one thing that i really wish is for more people who do not own "dangerous breeds" to get involved.
     

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